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Today at 4:47pm, spf33 wrote:

Today at 4:35pm, garuda wrote:
OK, let me repeat what I said before: THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IP ADDRESS.

They are NOT the same person, unless that person would have two accounts on two different locations with the same ISP.

And I'm not speculating.


quoted so it burns and sticks into my mind...

so what about the tahoe sightings? who has the ip address info on that?


Probably Mufon. Maybe we can get smokey to send them an email or whomever he spoke with when he inquired about "Steve". Smokey seems to have some repetior (sp?) going with them at least.

Though if Steve has already commited one blunder I don't know if they will admit to another.

I think they may have been the ones to add chads photo's to the tahoe submission. [Rabid speculation!]

I believe I found out when the photo's hit the mufoncms server. It might have been somewhere around page 5 or 7. I'll try to look it up.

The exif tags on the tahoe sighting indicated the date that they were taken (down to the second). Assuming the exif data wasn't tampered with though.
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« Reply #1516 on Today at 4:56pm »

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so what about the tahoe sightings? who has the ip address info on that?


That would indeed be interesting to know, but I don't know whether we have a realistic chance in obtaining those.

For as far as I know, the only info OMF had, was with regard to the IP addresses of Chad and Raj.

Unless new info surfaces, I don't think the IP address issue will teach us anything more, at present.
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« Reply #1517 on Today at 5:08pm »


Today at 1:44pm, smokey wrote:
As I recall, the only relevant, cited statement by RP was an acknowledgement that he 'knows Dan Smith and believes that Smith is sane enough to shop at a 7/11'. And so? And while that tenor of testimony may have been enough to convict Alger Hiss I'm not sure that it is germane to the 'disclosure' discussion per se-


Ocelot and Ferret . . . .

That says it all.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176486932

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« Reply #1518 on Today at 5:10pm »


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Not being well versed in the art of evaluating IPs, I'm still wondering what possible significance the Chad/Raj IP coincidence (unearthed earlier by Admin) may hold. Why was it dismissed so quickly? A layman's explanation from one of our more erudite mavens here would be greatly appreciated.

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Today at 4:44pm, smokey wrote:

Today at 4:35pm, garuda wrote:
OK, let me repeat what I said before: THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IP ADDRESS.

They are NOT the same person, unless that person would have two accounts on two different locations with the same ISP.

And I'm not speculating.


okkkk! don't yell at me for crissakes. i think it's sinking in! hahaha. thanks, g

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I posted a few comments in layman terms WAY back (30+ pgs ago!), but the most informed post was back on Pg 71, by IVO5000. Something of a better explaination there. Hope this helps to clear it up for you. :)

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=post&thread=1178524844&quote=118055 7434&page=71


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http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=display&thread=1178524844&page=6#11791 32449

It is the link to my previous investigations. It seems MufonCMS files have been altered in recent times when it pertains to Submitter 7013.

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http://www.divshare.com/download/813085-be3

Check out page 45 of the PDF. These time stamps are not the originals that I saw when Bren posted his article at the time. The chad photo's at the time of the article were not on the MUFONCMS server. Only two images were present. The two tahoe sighting photo's.

The files that are currently there are the chad sightings from C2Cam.

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Minor correction...

The tahoe photo's are also there.
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Today at 4:36pm, TheShadow wrote:
Mods Are you still in contact with Raj or is he MIA?


Good point, I think this is great place to start...again. It would be a shame if Raj doesn't show again
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« Reply #1521 on Today at 5:20pm »

Several excellent points have been brought up along with questions asked and I would like to take the time to address them here.

- First and foremost, we are not a pro-believer forum; we are an open discussion forum where all thoughts and opinions can come together for a respectful dialog on whatever is happening at the moment. It takes a great deal of effort to maintain this atmosphere and to create a place where people can feel comfortable and free to post their innermost thoughts and insights without the fear of ridicule and abuse. As a moderator it often requires that I keep my opinion in check to make sure that all do feel welcome to post here and to encourage people such as Raj to come forward. Most of you would never guess my real opinions on any of the threads in this entire forum. However, when I do speak out on any given matter you can be assured that it is coming out with a great deal of information behind the statement, some of which can not be fully explained in public. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

- There is indeed something very fishy about the timelines and the involvements of MUFON and C2C. We have been in official communication with both organizations and the level of cooperation has been negligible. Sad, very sad. There is much to learn from cooperative and open sharing of information.

- The work that has been done here to analyze the photos has been nothing short of incredible! I am totally blown away by the level of cooperation and the ensuing bits and pieces of data that keep coming up. Truly amazing! If it proves these photos to be a hoax...then so be it. We have now complied an incredible amount of information and analytical tools that can be used to analyze any future occurrences.

We thank you one and all!

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« Reply #1522 on Today at 5:25pm »

so its official - mufon is tampering with evidence and purposely distorting facts.

anyone who thinks otherwise does not have the story straight.
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« Reply #1523 on Today at 5:30pm »

its unfortunate that anyone just learning of these sightings will have to wade through a thick cloud of smoke and distortion to find the actual facts.
if mufon is purposely distorting facts, earthfiles as well, then i'm sorry, thats enough evidence for me to say these sightings are real.

unless of course they came up with this whole scheme ??? which i doubt because they obviously aren't that smart.
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« Reply #1524 on Today at 5:33pm »

I'll put up the link so you guys and gals can see yourself. Just don't abuse the bandwidth though. It is always nice to be able to see into mufons timestamps every now and then.

http://www.mufoncms.com/files/

That means NO HOT LINKING!
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« Reply #1525 on Today at 5:56pm »

By the way where is link to the account that some of you refer to? The one that shows the tahoe photo's mixed in with chad's photo's.
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« Reply #1526 on Today at 6:02pm »

raj, those 1600x1200 images sure would be nice about now.
60% more pixels would be this big and i would hope that the detail level increase would be as dramatic:

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« Reply #1527 on Today at 6:20pm »

Why do i get the feeling that Raj has abandoned his quest for answers. Seems to me that if this guy really saw this thing flying over his in-laws house he would be all over this place trying to get whatever info he could, rather than two hit and run posts. Or at the very least his mechanical engineer father-in law to be would be curious enough to be investigating. I mean come on, this guy is a mechanical engineer and sees what must be state of the art tech flying through his neighborhood and he goes..."huh that was weird" and leaves it at that I dont think so!
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You can find the Tahoe/Chad Mufon images under number 7013, some dated 5/12/07 and some dated 5/16/07. There is no mention there of how the Chad photos got submitted. You can find the original Tahoe wife's comments by searching for the submission on the date of 5/12/07.

I also find Chad and Raj's apparent lack of curiosity to be a curious thing in itself. If you go back to Chad's statements to C2C, he says it's in his neighborhood, he's seen it 9 times, it has made him sick, but all he's done about it is to post photos to C2C and then he's walked away? Makes no sense at all.

I'm still curious about how MUFON came by the Chad photos. Did somebody submit them? They are not a separate report. Or did a MUFON investigator find them on their own and attach them? Why would MUFON not consider it a separate report if that is the case?
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« Reply #1529 on Today at 6:32pm »


Today at 4:35pm, garuda wrote:
OK, let me repeat what I said before: THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IP ADDRESS.

They are NOT the same person, unless that person would have two accounts on two different locations with the same ISP.

And I'm not speculating.


Please post evidence, or retract this claim. Or do you expect us to take this on faith? I promised to shut up about IP's for 24 hours but now Raj is MIA I'm back on the case.

Examining the source of the emails is a simple way of seeing if this isn't an obvious hoax. I don't see why the admins cannot post an analysis. I demonstrated several pages back that all Yahoo emails clearly include the origin IP address in the header. The fact that C2C or whoever is too technically inept to send the right header doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to verify this important info.

Personally I think the hoaxer may have already goofed on two points. #1 is possibly the IP address. Despite claims to the contrary three octets of similarity in the originating IP is a slam dunk that the same computer sent both emails.

Mistake #2 the hoaxer made was his claim to report the UFO to the press (as stated on Raj's Flickr posting). He didn't consider that we would ask for verification of that claim.
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