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« Reply #1530 on Today at 1:35pm »


Today at 11:19am, greatwaller wrote:
Base on the last several postings, it seems to me that Raj is being "deviated" from appearing on this forum.

Otherwise, how else could he been so "conveniently" absent for a couple of days with his unfinished business of giving us a full account or answer some of our questions pose to him?


It's pretty obvious isn't it? 'Raj' (or whatever the hoaxers name is) cannot possibly answer all of the questions posted here and maintain credibility in his story. I note this his two posts added no factual data to the analysis so far. So he has probably quit while he is ahead.

I am confident he cannot come up with any corroborating evidence (e.g. like the details of the report he claimed to submit to the local paper).
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« Reply #1531 on Today at 1:36pm »


Today at 12:10pm, calikid wrote:

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Not being well versed in the art of evaluating IPs, I'm still wondering what possible significance the Chad/Raj IP coincidence (unearthed earlier by Admin) may hold. Why was it dismissed so quickly? A layman's explanation from one of our more erudite mavens here would be greatly appreciated.

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okkkk! don't yell at me for crissakes. i think it's sinking in! hahaha. thanks, g

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I posted a few comments in layman terms WAY back (30+ pgs ago!), but the most informed post was back on Pg 71, by IVO5000. Something of a better explaination there. Hope this helps to clear it up for you. :)

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=post&thread=1178524844&quote=118055 7434&page=71


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hi cali,

the problem i had was this: in that post Ivo said:
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I will be doing some more analysis myself and I will let you know as soon as I have something substantive to share.


if it's such a slam-dunk, as you indicate, why bother?

in any event- case closed. ...or not?
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Today at 1:32pm, regence wrote:
Mistake #2 the hoaxer made was his claim to report the UFO to the press (as stated on Raj's Flickr posting). He didn't consider that we would ask for verification of that claim.


Notice also the first set of questions i asked Raj (and these were the first questions directed to raj when he first logged on here at OM) were what paper he sent the pics to, what method did he use to send them and did he include contact info for that paper to contact him......to which there was no reply what-so-ever.
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Today at 1:32pm, regence wrote:

Today at 11:35am, garuda wrote:
OK, let me repeat what I said before: THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME IP ADDRESS.

They are NOT the same person, unless that person would have two accounts on two different locations with the same ISP.

And I'm not speculating.


Please post evidence, or retract this claim. Or do you expect us to take this on faith? I promised to shut up about IP's for 24 hours but now Raj is MIA I'm back on the case.

Examining the source of the emails is a simple way of seeing if this isn't an obvious hoax. I don't see why the admins cannot post an analysis. I demonstrated several pages back that all Yahoo emails clearly include the origin IP address in the header. The fact that C2C or whoever is too technically inept to send the right header doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to verify this important info.

Personally I think the hoaxer may have already goofed on two points. #1 is possibly the IP address. Despite claims to the contrary three octets of similarity in the originating IP is a slam dunk that the same computer sent both emails.

Mistake #2 the hoaxer made was his claim to report the UFO to the press (as stated on Raj's Flickr posting). He didn't consider that we would ask for verification of that claim.
If Garuda is making solid claims like that then it is not hard to venture that Admin or someone else gave him the info to investigate further. Considering that the info is sensitive to the nature of Raj being here. It is unlikely to be release so easily into the public domain without raj's permission.
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« Reply #1534 on Today at 1:38pm »


Today at 12:45am, Guest wrote:


Raj, (and others interested) if you do nothing else, read this and the following few pages. . . .

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176438192





I read some of that long, meandering thread. That's fifteen minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I'll bite my tongue on my immediate reaction and just ask one thing. Have you verified the identity and credentials of any of these alleged insiders?
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« Reply #1535 on Today at 1:38pm »

A big issue with this whole witness thing is privacy, privacy and privacy. This whole IP and newspaper thing could very well release the witness's name and other personal info. I would think that when giving info to a newspaper they would like some of your personal info. Otherwise, how can they take the witness seriously? This seems to be a very sketchy situation. It can make a skeptic out of a believer, but on the other hand it could all make practical sense from the witness's point of view.
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« Reply #1536 on Today at 1:39pm »


Today at 1:20pm, TheShadow wrote:
Why do i get the feeling that Raj has abandoned his quest for answers. Seems to me that if this guy really saw this thing flying over his in-laws house he would be all over this place trying to get whatever info he could, rather than two hit and run posts. Or at the very least his mechanical engineer father-in law to be would be curious enough to be investigating. I mean come on, this guy is a mechanical engineer and sees what must be state of the art tech flying through his neighborhood and he goes..."huh that was weird" and leaves it at that I dont think so!


there's probably a lot going on behind the scenes that we dont know about.
though i really wish raj would come back and talk, send the photos, something! i understand people have lives and i'm happy he showed up, but he needs to follow through, and i think its in his best interest to be doing that here. i hope he's not talking to anyone else. and if he is, i hope its someone we can trust, because by the looks of it it doesn't seem that there's many left who we can trust.
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« Reply #1537 on Today at 1:47pm »

Mods I will ask again...are you still in contact with Raj? Has he sent the higher rez pics?
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« Reply #1538 on Today at 1:48pm »

We do not have Chad's e-mail header information. We do not even have Chad's IP address info. All we have on Chad is the e-mail server information which does match Raj's.

As stated previously (and you can kick, scream and whine all you want to try and get it) we will post the information once we are able to get it. C2C has not cooperated with us on this. Nor has LMH.
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Today at 1:38pm, regence wrote:

Today at 12:45am, Guest wrote:


Raj, (and others interested) if you do nothing else, read this and the following few pages. . . .

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176438192





I read some of that long, meandering thread. That's fifteen minutes of my life I'll never get back.

I'll bite my tongue on my immediate reaction and just ask one thing. Have you verified the identity and credentials of any of these alleged insiders?

Yes.
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Today at 1:47pm, TheShadow wrote:
Mods I will ask again...are you still in contact with Raj? Has he sent the higher rez pics?


damn, shadow, you're a royal pain in the ass.
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Today at 1:50pm, smokey wrote:
damn, shadow, you're a royal pain in the ass.


My mission as an agent of disinformation is clear!! The term Royal Pain in the Ass actually appears in my mission statement!!!
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Today at 1:36pm, TheShadow wrote:

Today at 1:32pm, regence wrote:
Mistake #2 the hoaxer made was his claim to report the UFO to the press (as stated on Raj's Flickr posting). He didn't consider that we would ask for verification of that claim.


Notice also the first set of questions i asked Raj (and these were the first questions directed to raj when he first logged on here at OM) were what paper he sent the pics to, what method did he use to send them and did he include contact info for that paper to contact him......to which there was no reply what-so-ever.


I agree. Once he saw that, he realized the game was up. He knows better for next time!
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Today at 1:48pm, ivo5000 wrote:
We do not have Chad's e-mail header information. We do not even have Chad's IP address info. All we have on Chad is the e-mail server information which does match Raj's.

As stated previously (and you can kick, scream and whine all you want to try and get it) we will post the information once we are able to get it. C2C has not cooperated with us on this. Nor has LMH.


What do you feel is the reason for this lack of cooperation?
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Today at 1:47pm, TheShadow wrote:
Mods I will ask again...are you still in contact with Raj? Has he sent the higher rez pics?

Nothing from Raj in the last two days and no, we don't have the hi-res pics yet. According to Raj those needed to be obtained from his future father-in-law who lives about an hour and a half away. Hopefully those will be obtained by Raj here over the weekend.
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