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Today at 1:52pm, ivo5000 wrote:

Today at 1:47pm, TheShadow wrote:
Mods I will ask again...are you still in contact with Raj? Has he sent the higher rez pics?

Nothing from Raj in the last two days and no, we don't have the hi-res pics yet. According to Raj those needed to be obtained from his future father-in-law who lives about an hour and a half away. Hopefully those will be obtained by Raj here over the weekend.


How much y'all want to bet his father in law (who never empties his memeory card) deleted those pics from the memory card!!
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Today at 1:36pm, fore wrote:

If Garuda is making solid claims like that then it is not hard to venture that Admin or someone else gave him the info to investigate further. Considering that the info is sensitive to the nature of Raj being here. It is unlikely to be release so easily into the public domain without raj's permission.


On most forums I indulge in, there is the operating rule of 'post proof, or retract'. Is that different here on OMF? Is one allowed to make claims based on 'secret knowledge'?

What is so secret about an IP address? The admins already have my address and every one of yours. There is no expectation of privacy in an IP address or a mail header.
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Today at 1:52pm, TheShadow wrote:

Today at 1:50pm, smokey wrote:
damn, shadow, you're a royal pain in the ass.


My mission as an agent of disinformation is clear!! The term Royal Pain in the Ass actually appears in my mission statement!!!


i dont think anyone is laughing but disinfo's themselves at those types of statements shadow.
you definately dont help this already clouded room.

but say what you want, because for some reason no one is trying to stop you.
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Today at 1:52pm, fore wrote:

Today at 1:48pm, ivo5000 wrote:
We do not have Chad's e-mail header information. We do not even have Chad's IP address info. All we have on Chad is the e-mail server information which does match Raj's.

As stated previously (and you can kick, scream and whine all you want to try and get it) we will post the information once we are able to get it. C2C has not cooperated with us on this. Nor has LMH.


What do you feel is the reason for this lack of cooperation?


Thats easy If the IPs match they (C2C and LMH) look like fools for promoting a hoax
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The way this will be solved is with and by OPEN MINDs, which in it's pure definition means to enter into any situation with no bias towards the possibilities of something being real or not. We are all speculating on something which if is a real set of physical objects, will change the world we live in no matter what. Then there is the possibility of a cgi hoax which would only lend to the people who trivialize our community. This is a distinct possibility as we all know disinformation is the status quo in many governments of the world. But being open minded I also cannot deny the possibility also that this is a profound experience that has been thrust upon us. This has drawn together some of the brightest minds in our community, and also attracted a new wave of investigators and interested people. I do know that this scares the crap out of the disinformation machine. But could this be the sign we've been waiting for? Funny thing is if you go to the fringe of the ufo movement in your investigations you come upon information not on the craft perse, but yet they are all abuzz about this supposed "Galactic Federation" that is part of this first contact event they are all speaking of. They say that these "federation" folks are showing themselves more and more and will be showing themselves in dramatic fashion in the coming months.Could they be right?
Then we go back to the opposite of this and this could all be a "powerline drone fleet" being operated by a private company breaking FAA low level flight rules and testing these new age drones over populated areas without notifying local, state, or federal authorities so that they can notify the population. That they might actually be brazen enough to fly these craft over homes and people without prior notice is abhorrent to say the least.
But this is all gonna come down to what i said earlier, intelligent open minded discussion and investigation. Noone should jump on anyone else for their views on this as it only shows your mind is one of those not open to discussion.
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Today at 1:36pm, TheShadow wrote:

Today at 1:32pm, regence wrote:
Mistake #2 the hoaxer made was his claim to report the UFO to the press (as stated on Raj's Flickr posting). He didn't consider that we would ask for verification of that claim.


Notice also the first set of questions i asked Raj (and these were the first questions directed to raj when he first logged on here at OM) were what paper he sent the pics to, what method did he use to send them and did he include contact info for that paper to contact him......to which there was no reply what-so-ever.


that's exactly where this thing died for me. dis-shadow asked the crucial question and the answer from Raja/Chad was this:

th' th' th' th th' thats all, folks.
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Today at 1:38pm, regence wrote:

Today at 12:45am, Guest wrote:


Raj, (and others interested) if you do nothing else, read this and the following few pages. . . .

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176438192





I read some of that long, meandering thread. That's fifteen minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Well if you have an interest in Disclosure of UFO/ET related information, than it may have been the most important 15 minutes you ever spent on this subject.


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I'll bite my tongue on my immediate reaction and just ask one thing. Have you verified the identity and credentials of any of these alleged insiders?


Yes completely. Confirmed by hundreds (edit: actually the email stream included hundreds but probably only a couple dozen people could personally confirm RP). The identity and credentials of "RP" are fully established.


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Today at 1:54pm, colorsymphony wrote:

Today at 1:52pm, TheShadow wrote:


My mission as an agent of disinformation is clear!! The term Royal Pain in the Ass actually appears in my mission statement!!!


i dont think anyone is laughing but disinfo's themselves at those types of statements shadow.
you definately dont help this already clouded room.

but say what you want, because for some reason no one is trying to stop you.


Dude the only person that has ever seriously called me an agent of disinfo is YOU!! Now it is a running joke....deal with it!!
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Today at 1:48pm, ivo5000 wrote:
We do not have Chad's e-mail header information. We do not even have Chad's IP address info. All we have on Chad is the e-mail server information which does match Raj's.

As stated previously (and you can kick, scream and whine all you want to try and get it) we will post the information once we are able to get it. C2C has not cooperated with us on this. Nor has LMH.


Thank you for clarifying. This directly contradicts the post made by Garuda in which he implied someone had checked this information.

Please keep us updated on the C2C or LMH response or lack thereof. Would it be fair to say C2C and LMH are withholding information? Obviously they have a financial angle to gain so it would make sense to me. If I was in their business I'd probably drag it out as long as I could.
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Today at 1:54pm, regence wrote:

Today at 1:36pm, fore wrote:

If Garuda is making solid claims like that then it is not hard to venture that Admin or someone else gave him the info to investigate further. Considering that the info is sensitive to the nature of Raj being here. It is unlikely to be release so easily into the public domain without raj's permission.


On most forums I indulge in, there is the operating rule of 'post proof, or retract'. Is that different here on OMF? Is one allowed to make claims based on 'secret knowledge'?

What is so secret about an IP address? The admins already have my address and every one of yours. There is no expectation of privacy in an IP address or a mail header.
No, it is the same everywhere especially here. Just take note of the (potentially) sensitive nature of the info they have on Raj or Chad.

If you have access to a witness then, the last thing you want to do is swap his phone number or his private email address in front of him. It is not exactly the most intelligent way to get a person to continue a discussion about their experience.

Besides like IVO has said, they don't have anything solid. When so many people are watching it is best to be careful of the claims you make and being sure that you can prove it beyond any reasonable doubt later on.

If you feel these aren't satisfactory answers then take it up with IVO in PM or Garuda. That way you have a chance (in heaven/hell) of getting the info you requested.
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Today at 1:54pm, TheShadow wrote:

Today at 1:52pm, ivo5000 wrote:

Nothing from Raj in the last two days and no, we don't have the hi-res pics yet. According to Raj those needed to be obtained from his future father-in-law who lives about an hour and a half away. Hopefully those will be obtained by Raj here over the weekend.


How much y'all want to bet his father in law (who never empties his memeory card) deleted those pics from the memory card!!


so it all depends on raja not ditching his girlfriend. considering she stutters and has terminal acne, how likely is that?

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« Reply #1556 on Today at 2:00pm »

The lack of cooperation is very perplexing. I'm not sure what to make of it. But one thing I have been told by at least three different Deep Insiders (and is something I have always done anyway) is to look at the activities of people surrounding a situation to learn more about it, especially when you are faced with a dearth of facts.

When I look at the activity I see ATS, ufocasebook and MUFON dismiss this as a hoax without publishing or sharing any of the reasons why. Most peculiar is the activities of Steve from MUFON, who posted info, deleted the posts, shared some info privately, invited Raj to a face-to-face interview and then deleted his account in the middle of the night. MUFON has also stated that they have four different experts who all agree that this is a hoax...but all four have different reasons as to why and none of that research can be made public. Sound strange to you?

Something fishy is going on here...
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Today at 1:56pm, Guest wrote:


Yes completely. Confirmed by hundreds. The identity and credentials of "RP" are fully established.




Awesome. Can you point me to the thread where that happened?
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Today at 1:54pm, colorsymphony wrote:

Today at 1:52pm, TheShadow wrote:


My mission as an agent of disinformation is clear!! The term Royal Pain in the Ass actually appears in my mission statement!!!


i dont think anyone is laughing but disinfo's themselves at those types of statements shadow.
you definately dont help this already clouded room.

but say what you want, because for some reason no one is trying to stop you.
It's probably due to the fact that everyone knows TheShadow enough to understand that he is an average guy who works a job like the rest of us.

Try asking him some questions about himself in a thread other than this one or PM'img him. You might get some truthful answers from that disinfo agent...err I mean mild mannered man.


P.S. They are all joking about him being a disinfo agent.
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« Reply #1559 on Today at 2:04pm »


Today at 1:54pm, regence wrote:

Today at 1:36pm, fore wrote:

If Garuda is making solid claims like that then it is not hard to venture that Admin or someone else gave him the info to investigate further. Considering that the info is sensitive to the nature of Raj being here. It is unlikely to be release so easily into the public domain without raj's permission.


On most forums I indulge in, there is the operating rule of 'post proof, or retract'. Is that different here on OMF? Is one allowed to make claims based on 'secret knowledge'?

What is so secret about an IP address? The admins already have my address and every one of yours. There is no expectation of privacy in an IP address or a mail header.



'post proof' doesn't apply to thumpers. they post truth instead.
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