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Today at 2:22pm, smokey wrote:

Today at 2:00pm, ivo5000 wrote:
The lack of cooperation is very perplexing. I'm not sure what to make of it. But one thing I have been told by at least three different Deep Insiders (and is something I have always done anyway) is to look at the activities of people surrounding a situation to learn more about it, especially when you are faced with a dearth of facts.

When I look at the activity I see ATS, ufocasebook and MUFON dismiss this as a hoax without publishing or sharing any of the reasons why. Most peculiar is the activities of Steve from MUFON, who posted info, deleted the posts, shared some info privately, invited Raj to a face-to-face interview and then deleted his account in the middle of the night. MUFON has also stated that they have four different experts who all agree that this is a hoax...but all four have different reasons as to why and none of that research can be made public. Sound strange to you?

Something fishy is going on here...


Ivo, you've stated, yourself, that certain information 'known to the Mods here' is 'kept from the public.' Why that is we may never know. My own feeling is always- spill the beans. I hate secrets. Unfortunately for Steve- he also felt that way. He spilled the beans as he knew it and has taken a rasher of crap for it.

I don't blame him for beating a straight path outa here.

What do you think is the reason that he "beat a straight path outa here"? I am curious to know what you think motivated his departure.
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Today at 2:25pm, ipfreely wrote:

Today at 1:54pm, TheShadow wrote:


How much y'all want to bet his father in law (who never empties his memeory card) deleted those pics from the memory card!!


ok 20 bucks

edit to add: unless you want more then that.


i'll take 10 to 4 that this guy never empties his bladder too.
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Today at 2:25pm, TheShadow wrote:

Today at 2:22pm, smokey wrote:
Ivo, you've stated, yourself, that certain information 'known to the Mods here' is 'kept from the public.' Why that is we may never know. My own feeling is always- spill the beans. I hate secrets.


I too dont see the need for secrecy. If we are all to investigate we should all have access to all info available, otherwise we are left with inadequit resources which leads to inadequit results!

There are certain things that people are willing to share but do not want that info to be made public. We take the effort to corroborate that info through other sources. If it does check out then we reference it but not specifically back to that individual. If you don't do this then you will find yourself talking to no one and having all avenues cut off.

We do ask everyone we talk to whether or not we can make their statements public. If we get the go ahead then you see it here. None of that is held back. It's doing things in this manner that has opened doors for us and allowed us to proceed as far as we have.

That's just the way it is.
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« Reply #1578 on Today at 2:37pm »


Today at 2:27pm, garuda wrote:
A third party compared both IP addresses, the one Chad had used, and the one Raj had used.

It's no secret, as it has been said in this thread on several occasions, that there was a partial match, in that the first 3 out of 4 octets matched.

With the information I had on Raj's IP address, that was enough to find out it was a rotating IP address, dynamically assigned by an ISP. That ISP owns the whole IP range for the last octet, and one quarter of the IP addresses of the third octet as well, meaning they have 16.348 IP addresses to play around with.

That's all I the information I can and will give.

If that's not enough for you, tough. Feel free to go and investigate it further, and waste many more minutes of your precious time... Don't waste mine.

Perfectly put, Garuda!
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What do you think is the reason that he "beat a straight path outa here"? I am curious to know what you think motivated his departure.



edit: unnecessary insult. Toon please . . .
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Today at 2:35pm, ivo5000 wrote:

Today at 2:25pm, TheShadow wrote:


I too dont see the need for secrecy. If we are all to investigate we should all have access to all info available, otherwise we are left with inadequit resources which leads to inadequit results!

There are certain things that people are willing to share but do not want that info to be made public. We take the effort to corroborate that info through other sources. If it does check out then we reference it but not specifically back to that individual. If you don't do this then you will find yourself talking to no one and having all avenues cut off.

We do ask everyone we talk to whether or not we can make their statements public. If we get the go ahead then you see it here. None of that is held back. It's doing things in this manner that has opened doors for us and allowed us to proceed as far as we have.

That's just the way it is.
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« Reply #1581 on Today at 2:39pm »

Also, speaking of motivations others may have, all of the time, effort and money the admins and mods put in here is purely our own. We don't make a cent off of this.

It also needs to be said in the interest of fairness that the same can be said of MUFON.
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« Reply #1582 on Today at 2:42pm »


Today at 1:36pm, smokey wrote:

Today at 12:10pm, calikid wrote:




@smokey

I posted a few comments in layman terms WAY back (30+ pgs ago!), but the most informed post was back on Pg 71, by IVO5000. Something of a better explaination there. Hope this helps to clear it up for you. :)

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=post&thread=1178524844&quote=118055 7434&page=71


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hi cali,

the problem i had was this: in that post Ivo said:
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I will be doing some more analysis myself and I will let you know as soon as I have something substantive to share.


if it's such a slam-dunk, as you indicate, why bother?

in any event- case closed. ...or not?


Don't think I indicated it was a "slam-dunk". Only said that the MOST info could be found in that particular post. We have not been given enough info to do anything but speculate. While I did notice IVO failed to follow up, I for one trust admin if he says he was mistaken and the IPs [in his possession] are NOT a match. Far as I can tell, admin has nothing to gain otherwise.

I also understand the reluctance of "the holder of the IP info" in sharing the info. An IP is akin to a home address or telephone number. If this type of info was betrayed, NOBODY IN THE FUTURE COULD BELIEVE THEIR IDENTITY WOULD BE HELD CONFIDENTIAL. We may want Raj's address (for confirmation) but perhaps Raj is concerned that he will end up with MANY uninvited people on his doorstep after backtracking the info. He IS entitled to his privacy. The IP should NOT be revealed to the public without the owner's permission.


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« Reply #1583 on Today at 2:43pm »


Today at 2:32pm, fore wrote:

Today at 2:22pm, smokey wrote:


Ivo, you've stated, yourself, that certain information 'known to the Mods here' is 'kept from the public.' Why that is we may never know. My own feeling is always- spill the beans. I hate secrets. Unfortunately for Steve- he also felt that way. He spilled the beans as he knew it and has taken a rasher of crap for it.

I don't blame him for beating a straight path outa here.

What do you think is the reason that he "beat a straight path outa here"? I am curious to know what you think motivated his departure.


sorry, fore, but my posts here are subject to editing.
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Today at 2:34pm, smokey wrote:

Today at 2:25pm, ipfreely wrote:


ok 20 bucks

edit to add: unless you want more then that.


i'll take 10 to 4 that this guy never empties his bladder too.


Fore you asked why and this is one example and toon is no longer feral either. If it were me I would think" hehe I don,t need this bullsh_t ....... later".
We need him not the other way around and all you who are not grateful for what you get should be asshamed. You know for somethings there are no answers for......... geeeze IPF
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« Reply #1585 on Today at 2:46pm »


Today at 2:42pm, calikid wrote:
The IP should NOT be revealed to the public without the owner's permission.
CaliKid


I can agree with this if there is a detailed report given of who did the IP investigation, their qualifications and their complete findings (withholding of course any personal info on the owner of the IP address.)

As an outsider it kind of sucks to just be told an investigation has been done and they do or dont match. With no further info.
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Today at 2:37pm, smokey wrote:

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What do you think is the reason that he "beat a straight path outa here"? I am curious to know what you think motivated his departure.



edit: unnecessary insult. Toon please . . .


ridiculous censorship. please include my 'insult'
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« Reply #1587 on Today at 2:48pm »


Today at 2:43pm, smokey wrote:

sorry, fore, but my posts here are subject to editing.



That's right toon! You've insulted two members today, so I edited the posts.

You say "sorry, fore" - Come on! You mean you are sorry you can't call him rude names?

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Today at 2:47pm, smokey wrote:

Today at 2:37pm, smokey wrote:



edit: unnecessary insult. Toon please . . .


ridiculous censorship. please include my 'insult'

i don't even remember what it was. hahahaha
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« Reply #1589 on Today at 2:58pm »

With all the bashing and bickering going on here I wouldn't blame Raj for not returning to answer questions. He's already being called a hoaxer by some here and another has insulted his fiance's complexion and speech <-- WTF was that about???!!!

From his previous replies he seemed bemused by the fevered interest here. I don't think he is taking the matter near as seriously (for some unknown reason) as are the OMF board members. From his two posts here he seems like someone who is young and enjoys partying - I used to be that way too many years ago. So perhaps he would be a bit reluctant to engage in something as deep as the current investigation has become. I truly hope that is not the case.

The reason for not returning yet may also be that he does indeed have a life to live away from a computer -- a concept that is possibly foreign to some here... including me unfortunately. He may simply be out for the weekend enjoying life as one might possibly do being young and in love. Hopefully he will forgive some of the insults here and indeed return with more answers to our questions - although those questions may be quite hard to find amongst the noise, personality clashes and even cross-threaded references regarding disclosure.

I know this has been asked before -- but could a mod please cull the questions for Raj from the speculation in this thread and create a thread solely for questions for Raj? Or has this already been done for him in the mods' private emails to Raj?


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