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« Reply #1605 on Yesterday at 9:27pm »


Yesterday at 9:06pm, regence wrote:


Garuda, can you tell us who the ISP is so we can get a feel for how feasible #2 is? Surely that doesn't help identify them any more? I assume the MIB had their full info the moment they connected to the Internet. ;D


It has been stated in several posts that it was Yahoo... ::)
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Yesterday at 9:27pm, filtor wrote:

Yesterday at 9:06pm, regence wrote:


Garuda, can you tell us who the ISP is so we can get a feel for how feasible #2 is? Surely that doesn't help identify them any more? I assume the MIB had their full info the moment they connected to the Internet. ;D


It has been stated in several posts that it was Yahoo... ::)


FYI,
Yahoo is primarily a search engine with additional features (like email service, etc).
They are known to partner with the ISP called AT&T (in the western US) for Dial-up and HSI DSL subscribers.


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« Reply #1607 on Yesterday at 10:12pm »


Yesterday at 9:41pm, calikid wrote:

Yesterday at 9:27pm, filtor wrote:


It has been stated in several posts that it was Yahoo... ::)


FYI,
Yahoo is primarily a search engine with additional features (like email service, etc).
They are known to partner with the ISP called AT&T (in the western US) for Dial-up and HSI DSL subscribers.

CaliKid


Yep - I know that - I have SBC/Yahoo as my ISP here in midwestern USA -- SBC has been assimilated into AT&T recently but SBC/Yahoo is my ISP of note.

edit - I *do* get your point about the ISP part of that though - you are correct that Yahoo provides the mail service for ATT/Yahoo and that ATT is my ISP and Yahoo provides their/my email service. Soooo - I guess the ISP question is still valid :-X
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« Reply #1608 on Yesterday at 10:46pm »

Greetings,

In light of some comments (i.e. spf33) and further research, I have slightly modified my original timeline post (and a few other pieces of writing). I here present the current redux with a request for clarification of any items that I may have misunderstood or missed. I'd appreciate it if someone would mail me a brief redux of data gleaned from the digital images (where such data appears to correspond to creation date).

My thanks to those who responded to my original post with corrections / elaborations.

05-06-07?
Coast to Coast Am: 'Chad'
Content 1 letter
‘Last month (April 2007), my wife and I were on a walk...’
1 'clearish' cell phone photo
5 ‘Chad’ photos
Note:
2 days pass from first contact to next set of photos according to letter.

•••

05-12-07
Mufon: Tahoe: First report: 'Wife' (mufon submitter 7013)
(‘...in Tahoe over the weekend...Saturday around 7:00 pm...’)

These images appear to be from 05-05/6-07

5 photos:
2 original grainy (dark) cell phone

The above images were probably originally submitted with the report. The following images were somehow associated with the report later. We do not yet know how this happened.

1 'clearish' cell phone (Chad mentions this photo in his 1st letter)
2 'Chad' photos

Note:
Report (now?) includes 'Chad photos!'
dated: 05-05-07

•••

According to Earthfiles:

LMH Claims to be in contact with ‘Chad’.

05-10/11-07:
C2C receives email with ‘attached May 6, 2007 images’ (ostensibly from ‘Chad’).

However, on the C2C site ‘Chad’s’ letter clearly states the sighting took place in April 2007 (‘Last Month’).

In a conversation with LMH ‘Chad’ reportedly says the photos were taken on May 6th, 2007.

05-15-07:
Earthfiles receives ‘another’ similar ‘drone image’ ‘by a person at Lake Tahoe’ (mufon 7013 above).

05-18-07:
Earthfiles viewer (‘Shirley’) writes to claim seeing ‘something’ in or around Sequoia National Park (May, 2005). Note that in the first email she says this jolted her memory, but does not in fact say that this is the same sort of craft. Later she says the ‘Chad’ photos most closely matched it.

•••

05-20-07:
An anonymous Craigslist (San Francisco) ad goes up with a link to a Flikr site.
(Early Afternoon) I recognize the images from a recent Earthfiles visit, and respond to it, informing the poster of the similar images at Earthfiles. I send Earthfiles an email pointing out the Flikr site with 6 images.

Rajman1977 (we may presume he is 30 years old?) has a Flickr site up. Probably less than a few days old. Some time later a name appears: Rajinder Satyanarayana.

05-23-07:
(Earthfiles) 'Birmingham' contact: New photo of a very different, yet potentially similar 'craft' (May, 2006).
Notes:
I believe I have personally seen one of these (near a transformer) and (possibly) mistook it for an attachment to a transformer (like the witness originally did). Unfortunately I cannot precisely remember the date and location.

•••

Implications:
1. There's a problem with the Chad dates. Was it April or May?
2. Someone added photos to the Mufon report. If this was done by someone other than the original report filer, we need to know who, and why. If it was the original filer, someone possesses images that belong to 2 separate sightings.

•••

Timeline (V1):

05-05-07: Tahoe Witnesses (Wife + Husband)
- 2 dark grainy photos - 4 arms

05-06/08-07: Central California Witnesses (Chad, Wife, Friend)
- 1 Cell Photo (digital) - 5 arms
- 6 Fine Photos (scanned) - 5 arms
(Note: Some reportage has (April 2007) inserted in Chad’s letter.)

Week of 05-16-07: Capitola, California:
- 6 Fine Photos (digital) - 4 arms + 2 ‘packages’
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« Reply #1609 on Yesterday at 11:06pm »


Yesterday at 10:12pm, filtor wrote:

Yesterday at 9:41pm, calikid wrote:


FYI,
Yahoo is primarily a search engine with additional features (like email service, etc).
They are known to partner with the ISP called AT&T (in the western US) for Dial-up and HSI DSL subscribers.

CaliKid


Yep - I know that - I have SBC/Yahoo as my ISP here in midwestern USA -- SBC has been assimilated into AT&T recently but SBC/Yahoo is my ISP of note.


Yes, the Yahoo/ATT dsl isp is very common around these parts. Just about everyone I know has it. They are the best deal around for broadband and are quickly dominating the market with rates as low as $15 a month. The only reason I don't have it is because my company pays for cable.
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« Reply #1610 on Yesterday at 11:11pm »

The creation date of rajman's first upload was on May 16, 2007

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/sets/72157600236430072/
(Scroll all the way to the end of the testimony)

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6 photos | 41,484 views

Photos are from 16 May 07.


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Then it was renamed or reuploaded on May 20th, 2007

Compare:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-taken/2007/05/16/

and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-posted/2007/05/calendar/

And the overview link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/
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« Reply #1611 on Yesterday at 11:35pm »

The Tahoe images were taken on (according to the exif data) on:

Info Source:
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=display&thread=1178524844&page=6#11 79126236

Image File: 7013_submitter_file1__070505_02.jpg

5/5/2007 6:52:11 PM

and

Image File: 7013_submitter_file2__070505_03.jpg

5/5/2007 6:52:16 PM

Exif Data for both files can be found here:
http://www.divshare.com/download/662004-7e1

Original Images here:
http://www.divshare.com/download/653585-99b

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They were submitted to the mufonCMS server on:
May 12th, 2007 at 7:09pm

Source:
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextraterrestrial&action=display&thread=1178524844&page=6#11 79132449

I can personally testify that there was at that point in time no other photo's than the original lake tahoe images from submitter 7013 (2 jpg's).

The rest seem to have been added at some point later.

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« Reply #1612 on Yesterday at 11:42pm »

Wow, this sure has turned uglier by the moment between forum posters.

I haven't read e'thing posted, but I've read enough to see where this is going. I'm just trying to see if anything has developed, and all I see is two things: questions for a 'mysterious' poster that appear to go unanswered and inner-forum bickering. And the amount of postings is almost too much to incorporate.

As far as IP addresses, you can use a dynamic server to alter your address. I've been an online gamer for years and I know how it's done.

As far as one person posting two(or is it three?) times and creating some sensationalism is an advocation for hoaxers, in general.

I'm new to this forum, but I have a question for Admin. Can you possibly break this into more than one forum topic? And one more question: can you create a link on your homepage for a map so forum members can post their locations? It'd be helpful for those who are active so we can address questions towards other members about geography/climate/etc.

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« Reply #1613 on Yesterday at 11:47pm »


Yesterday at 5:08pm, JakeReason wrote:

Yesterday at 1:44pm, smokey wrote:
As I recall, the only relevant, cited statement by RP was an acknowledgement that he 'knows Dan Smith and believes that Smith is sane enough to shop at a 7/11'. And so? And while that tenor of testimony may have been enough to convict Alger Hiss I'm not sure that it is germane to the 'disclosure' discussion per se-


Ocelot and Ferret . . . .

That says it all.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176486932




Jake you seem to be a lot more enthusiastic about this than what it merits. To set the record straight, from the pages of this forum:

RP's letter to Ivo after the interview where RP is saying he was misquoted:

Chris,

Your posts were not transcripts of our conversation but rather commentary thereof. Your descriptions of the facts were generally accurate, but in a few areas your interpretations were off the mark, no doubt influenced by your discussions with Dan. My corrections are inserted below.

R

p.s. Dan informed you that I did not wish to have any further discussions with you so you would post your story without checking the facts. He is indeed very clever. Jack is one of the few people I know who can stand up to a sober Dan.

{I said the story was 15 years old, probably originating with Rick Doty, Bob Collins or other avians, and that within the context of the story it was interesting to see the introduction of one who preys upon birds and another who preys upon their eggs.}

And:
* Stories of meetings at Los Alamos that involved aliens or discussions of aliens are false, originating with Rick Doty or one of his avian cronies.
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Yesterday at 11:11pm, fore wrote:

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Then it was renamed or reuploaded on May 20th, 2007

Compare:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-taken/2007/05/16/

and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-posted/2007/05/calendar/

And the overview link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/


are you sure there was renaming or reuploading?

looks only to be a breakdown of "date taken" based off exif data and "date posted" which was the day rajman1977 created the account.



Yesterday at 10:46pm, organelle wrote:

Timeline (V1):

05-05-07: Tahoe Witnesses (Wife + Husband)
- 2 dark grainy photos - 4 arms

05-06/08-07: Central California Witnesses (Chad, Wife, Friend)
- 1 Cell Photo (digital) - 5 arms
- 6 Fine Photos (scanned) - 5 arms
(Note: Some reportage has (April 2007) inserted in Chad’s letter.)

Week of 05-16-07: Capitola, California:
- 6 Fine Photos (digital) - 4 arms + 2 ‘packages’


thanks for putting that together.

i think it would be important to include the dates the images first showed up online and where.
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Today at 12:06am, spf33 wrote:

Yesterday at 11:11pm, fore wrote:

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Then it was renamed or reuploaded on May 20th, 2007

Compare:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-taken/2007/05/16/

and

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/date-posted/2007/05/calendar/

And the overview link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/archives/


are you sure there was renaming or reuploading?

looks only to be a breakdown of "date taken" based off exif data and "date posted" which was the day rajman1977 created the account.



Yesterday at 10:46pm, organelle wrote:

Timeline (V1):

05-05-07: Tahoe Witnesses (Wife + Husband)
- 2 dark grainy photos - 4 arms

05-06/08-07: Central California Witnesses (Chad, Wife, Friend)
- 1 Cell Photo (digital) - 5 arms
- 6 Fine Photos (scanned) - 5 arms
(Note: Some reportage has (April 2007) inserted in Chad’s letter.)

Week of 05-16-07: Capitola, California:
- 6 Fine Photos (digital) - 4 arms + 2 ‘packages’


thanks for putting that together.

i think it would be important to include the dates the images first showed up online and where.
I could be wrong of course on that point. But I will try to investigate a bit more.

P.S. Check for a PM i want to show you something.
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Yesterday at 11:47pm, vonenckhausen wrote:

Yesterday at 5:08pm, JakeReason wrote:


Ocelot and Ferret . . . .

That says it all.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=dansmith&action=display&thread=1151161712&page=16#1176486932




Jake you seem to be a lot more enthusiastic about this than what it merits. To set the record straight, from the pages of this forum:And:

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* Stories of meetings at Los Alamos that involved aliens or discussions of aliens are false, originating with Rick Doty or one of his avian cronies.


Thank you vanenckhausen.

You have done your homework. I will remind you the he is currently engaged in International affairs that are counter intelligence oriented. He works to protect your world. Which includes your entire economic and political umbrella. He called Ivo5000 during business hours, which means he was working. He knew that Ivo was a co-admin of this UFO/ET Disclosure oriented forum. And Dan Smith, his friend of over 15 years set it up. Do you not understand that he already knew he would be required to retract? It is the only way he could even entertaining any confirmation, without loosing his station. Can you see how this HAD to be staged? And therefore sanctioned.

He also knows that Ivo5000 communicates with some of his other friends on a regular basis. Including CoR25, the very other person who is involved in this Disclosure episode.

Your quote of his . . . "Rick Doty or one of his avian cronies." They are also his "cronies". Get it?

Put the puzzle together.

I have posted these details here as I know they will be buried in this Chad/Raj drone thread, which is of little import to what's really going on in the world of Disclosure.

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Greetings,

I must suggest a tighter focus for this discussion. It appears that while some people are actually interested in exploring this phenomenon, (believers, neutrals, skeptics, etc) others are occupied with other topics, tit-for-tat combat, name-calling, accusations, etc.

The signal-to-noise ratio has become challenging to put it lightly.

I (for one) would appreciate it if more postings were 'content-oriented' and related to the topic... other goals can perhaps be best served either in other topics or in private emails...

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Today at 1:05am, organelle wrote:
Greetings,

I must suggest a tighter focus for this discussion. It appears that while some people are actually interested in exploring this phenomenon, (believers, neutrals, skeptics, etc) others are occupied with other topics, tit-for-tat combat, name-calling, accusations, etc.

The signal-to-noise ratio has become challenging to put it lightly.

I (for one) would appreciate it if more postings were 'content-oriented' and related to the topic... other goals can perhaps be best served either in other topics or in private emails...

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Well put. If I had any interest in that other stuff, I'd be posting on those other threads.
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Today at 1:05am, organelle wrote:
Greetings,

I must suggest a tighter focus for this discussion. It appears that while some people are actually interested in exploring this phenomenon, (believers, neutrals, skeptics, etc) others are occupied with other topics, tit-for-tat combat, name-calling, accusations, etc.

The signal-to-noise ratio has become challenging to put it lightly.

I (for one) would appreciate it if more postings were 'content-oriented' and related to the topic... other goals can perhaps be best served either in other topics or in private emails...

pax



Greetings organelle,

While I wholeheartedly agree with you concerning the " tit-for-tat combat, name-calling, accusations", I must point out that what might on the surface seem like "other topics", may or may not be. For example, Dan Smith has recently stated that this RP person may in fact be responsible for orchestrating Serpo and "what's going on in California right now", meaning these sightings. It then becomes relevant.
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