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« Reply #1695 on Today at 5:45pm »

Well now, just check out how the atmosphere on this thread has changed.

A while back we had world-class analysis and impassioned requests for more information.

Then Raj came forward and, truth to tell, after two communications with him we found ourselves in much the same position as we were before he appeared.
His unwillingness to respond to the simplest question asked (the newspaper) and subsquent absence from the forum do little to bolster his claims.

Those are beautiful pictures.
But without some sort of confirmation, some verification, that's all they are.
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Today at 5:36pm, italiclikeitis wrote:
If you can refer to comments made at rajman1977's Flickr site under "PICT0017",
There were some fairly technical explainations presented by two people who seem to have a good understanding of a technology that could drive this craft.
Linked here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/506533536/

I hope these guys do not mind me quoting them.
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These objects do not use reaction type thrust!!!

If these guys would have pay closer attention to the Chad descriptions they would know these objects do not use any Hall effect, ion lifter type propulsion. When Chad's friend (and Raj for that matter) stood underneath the object they would have been blown away by the ion wind. Even though they gave very detailed descriptions they never mentioned any wind or force coming off the object.

So what you have with these suedo science guys is poeple trying to explain the unknown with Earth bound tech, which with our current understanding is impossible.
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Today at 5:20pm, admin wrote:

Today at 4:57pm, TheShadow wrote:
Numbers....simple logic dictates there is nothing to this but Raj/Chad creating this thing on their computers for fun. What proof do you have there are 5 witnesses? A bunch of anonymous reports on the web! Hardly conclusive! Could all be from one person with access to several computers. Without a verifiable and credible witness this thing doesn't stand up to scrutiny! If you (or anyone you know) saw this thing (weather you are into UFOs or not) would you not be all over it trying to figure out just what the hell it was? Come on smell the coffee......this thing is not UFO it is CGI!!
I do believe we are not alone in the universe, but i am also wise enough to know a scam when i see one...and my friend this is a scam!!


Shads, you are pushing your luck, pal. >:( I don't care what you want to believe - but if you want to make claims here, then you have to prove that claim. It's no good just saying something is 'so', just because that's what you *think* >:( - that's the easy way out - it takes more of man to uphold the notion 'innocent until proved guilty' . There could be a thousand reasons why things haven't transpired the way people 'expect' them to - the EASY / LAZY option is to just call it a hoax without proof.

*ONE* reason alone could be that Raj is not bothering to come back here (or anywhere else) because of the simply disgusting and repulsive things Cartoon (Kim) said bout his Fiance and future father-in-law. I had promised to keep this particular thread ultra-'clean' in order to facillitate this thing to some kind of conclusion - either way, we need more detail. I let Kim push the envelop, until he went WAY to far. And I feel partly responsible for letting that happen.

I will NOT make the same mistake twice. If you want to blame a 'thread crackdown' on anyone - blame it on Cartoon/Kim. >:(

You have been here for nigh on two years - you KNOW what we do here and why we do it. Recently you have been warned NOT to make those sort of claims without proof. You aren't saying anything about your *opinion* (which would be OK) - you are making bold, direct claims!! Last warning.



So has toon/smokey been banned?????
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« Reply #1698 on Today at 6:05pm »

From the post a page back quoting the Raj Flikr comments:

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Anyone who has ever spent any quality time investigating UFOs or other cryptic phenomena knows that only a tiny fraction of witness sightings ever get reported to anybody outside the immediate family. First of all, exactly who are you supposed to report it to? There is no official collection point for this kind of story. Second, and probably more important, what's the motivation? In most cases you simply bring down accusations of being an idiot, a fraud, or both.


Now that...is a very valid point ;)

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Today at 5:24pm, italiclikeitis wrote:
10538...


1) Strange ET markings on the crafts.

---If this craft is man made, it might be in the interest of it's creators to create a diversion. And creating Klingon type writing is just the ticket, in my opinion. The controversy that was created just from that is mind boggling.

Nope. The last thing the PTB want to get people thinking about is ETs. It's totally the opposite of their MO. Normally when a sighting happens they do their best to come up with a terrestrial explaination. You'll will never see the Aurora or any other balck ops project with ET or Klingon markings on it. (The whole Klingon theory is laughable and in my opinion, anybody proposing it watches too much tv)

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2) Absence of landing gear

---Planes, and Helicopters need landing gear. This isn't one of those. Someone a while back suggested a cone that it might land on. Very clever.


The cone would damage the diodes.


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3) Object was flying over an urban area with total disregard for secrecy.

---I admittedly still have a problem with this one. Good argument. Although, we are the only ones who call it a secret.

4) This kind of technology does not exist on Earth. This is the most important reason.
---Who said?? Want some information?


I said (my opinion) ;). Here's why.
Name one example of anything that man has ever devised that even comes close to this, even on a small scale. Don't tell me ion lifters. Those are made of tin foil and balsa wood and struggle to lift ther own weight while still tethered to a 25 pound external power supply (which is plugged into an AC outlet). It's not even close.
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« Reply #1700 on Today at 6:07pm »

DEAR RAJ, a lot of us are hanging on by a string here, awaiting to hear more from you. this is so important man, if you really saw this thing then please come back and lets show everyone how real it is. dont sweat the rude comments people make, they simply would rather hault "moving forward" just because they aren't ready to deal with it. dont worry about them, ignore them if you wish. please jump back in and fill us in on the questions we have asked. if you saw this craft, and i have no reason to think you didn't, then please come back and tell us more.
thank you for showing up, please come back!! :)
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Today at 5:53pm, 10538 wrote:
. . . . poeple trying to explain the unknown with Earth bound tech, which with our current understanding is impossible.



Not impossible, just secret.

Black Projects have been conducting experiments for decades.
http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/arv.htm

Private Sector is serious about it.
http://gravitycontrol.org/projectunity.html

Levitation of a living thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-xw_fmB2KA

Ralph Ring & Otis Carr - students of Tesla
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1156028673&page=1#1156028673

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« Reply #1702 on Today at 6:12pm »

IN MY OPINION I agree with Shads. We have no real good evidence to support these things being real, yet, IN MY OPINION, the evidence stacked against them being real becomes stronger all the time. As far as silencing the media, I don't think that is a plausible scenario, IMHO. The govt just cannot claim that kind of influence over the press. The press itself knows that SOMEBODY would rebel, be contrarian, and show the rest to be a bunch of puppets. That's why they will not let themselves be silenced, IMHO. As far as the technology existing and not being a secret, that's not plausible either, IMHO. That would be all over Aviation weekly, Scientific American and the rest. As far as the technology existing for monitoring forest fires and the military not using it for their purpose, that is equally implausible, IMHO. The only other option available is that it is alien, and the stack of signs pointing in that direction is smaller and smaller, IN MY OPINION.
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Today at 6:05pm, musado wrote:
From the post a page back quoting the Raj Flikr comments:

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Anyone who has ever spent any quality time investigating UFOs or other cryptic phenomena knows that only a tiny fraction of witness sightings ever get reported to anybody outside the immediate family. First of all, exactly who are you supposed to report it to? There is no official collection point for this kind of story. Second, and probably more important, what's the motivation? In most cases you simply bring down accusations of being an idiot, a fraud, or both.


Perhaps there are other witnesses who don't want the hassle and haven't come forward. Both Raj and Chad mention there being several other witnesses. Any conclusions about the motives of these other potential witnesses is speculation.

It will be a telling sign if Raj gives the higher resolution images he promised, or comes back to talk the sighting over. If he disappears, that's a suspicious sign, but nothing definitive. People will fill in the gaps in their knowledge with our beliefs and prejudices. It's human nature and we all do it all day long.

Now that...is a very valid point ;)

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Today at 6:07pm, colorsymphony wrote:
DEAR RAJ, a lot of us are hanging on by a string here, awaiting to hear more from you. this is so important man, if you really saw this thing then please come back and lets show everyone how real it is. dont sweat the rude comments people make, they simply would rather hault "moving forward" just because they aren't ready to deal with it. dont worry about them, ignore them if you wish. please jump back in and fill us in on the questions we have asked. if you saw this craft, and i have no reason to think you didn't, then please come back and tell us more.
thank you for showing up, please come back!! :)


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Today at 6:12pm, vonenckhausen wrote:
IN MY OPINION I agree with Shads. We have no real good evidence to support these things being real, yet, IN MY OPINION, the evidence stacked against them being real becomes stronger all the time. As far as silencing the media, I don't think that is a plausible scenario, IMHO. The govt just cannot claim that kind of influence over the press. The press itself knows that SOMEBODY would rebel, be contrarian, and show the rest to be a bunch of puppets. That's why they will not let themselves be silenced, IMHO. As far as the technology existing and not being a secret, that's not plausible either, IMHO. That would be all over Aviation weekly, Scientific American and the rest. As far as the technology existing for monitoring forest fires and the military not using it for their purpose, that is equally implausible, IMHO. The only other option available is that it is alien, and the stack of signs pointing in that direction is smaller and smaller, IN MY OPINION.


Very well said. We may agree to disagree but I respect your opinion because you explained it. Thanks. ;)
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Today at 6:08pm, JakeReason wrote:

Today at 5:53pm, 10538 wrote:
. . . . poeple trying to explain the unknown with Earth bound tech, which with our current understanding is impossible.



Not impossible, just secret.

Black Projects have been conducting experiments for decades.
http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/arv.htm

Private Sector is serious about it.
http://gravitycontrol.org/projectunity.html

Levitation of a living thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-xw_fmB2KA

Ralph Ring & Otis Carr - students of Tesla
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1156028673&page=1#1156028673

About the floating frog. I believe I saw that example back about a decade ago on tv. It was based on the idea of canceling out gravity in very small spaces. It was part of an experiment in growing crystals if I remember correctly. It didn't actually do anything strange other than overpower the gravity of the earth. The same show showed several objects. One was a marble. Another a frog.
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A technology that some of you might find interesting is Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage. I had asked a while back if there was a technology available where a light composite could be used to store a magnetic field. Someone responded, but now I can not find the message in here.

Anyway, the person suggested this, and supplied me with this link.

Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES)
http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/EandE/Web_sites/03-04/marine/tech_storage.htm#smes

Here's another one I found in goggle.
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~matti/ise2grp/energystorage_report/node8.html

Let me just make this clear. I am not suggesting that this is applied to the craft. I am, in fact, presenting a technology, which isn't a secret, that backs up my idea that the concept of this craft is plausible. This is why we have to move on, but not dismiss the hoax theory.

Someone argued a while back that it would be too heavy, if it were made of metal. What if it was made out of a composite material? That information which is readily available from Google is more than likely from a very early development stage of SMES.
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There is a good article on the flying frog at http://www.hfml.ru.nl/phystod.html. They used a gigantic magnet at the Nijmegen High Field Magnet Laboratory to generate the 15 Tesla field to levitate the frog. Levitating a human would require a 40 Tesla field, and about a gigawatt of energy.

Any progress on those high res photo's from 'Raj'? Is he still answering email?

I hate to digress on crop circles, but several of the crop circles that Linda Howe has promoted have been claimed by the artists at http://www.circlemakers.org./
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Today at 4:57pm, TheShadow wrote:
Numbers....simple logic dictates there is nothing to this but Raj/Chad creating this thing on their computers for fun. What proof do you have there are 5 witnesses? A bunch of anonymous reports on the web! Hardly conclusive! Could all be from one person with access to several computers. Without a verifiable and credible witness this thing doesnt stand up to scrutiny! If you (or anyone you know) saw this thing (weather you are into UFOs or not) would you not be all over it trying to figure out just what the hell it was? Come on smell the coffee......this thing is not UFO it is CGI!!
I do believe we are not alone in the universe, but i am also wise enough to know a scam when i see one...and my friend this is a scam!!

Shads,

In all fairness you are not demonstrating how or why it is a hoax. You are not holding yourself to the same set of standards you are demanding of Raj or Chad. You are not merely stating an opinion in the post I am quoting, you are stating it as fact.

Blind accusations of it being a hoax do not belong here. We are not ATS. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and you are free to state your opinion.

Personally, I think if anyone has passed judgment on this, either way, then you are pulling the trigger on that decision way too early. There has been a tremendous amount of analysis and data presented here so far and none of it is conclusive yet, either separately or in total. For now all we have is an unknown.

So, let's keep opinions as opinions and when facts are stated then let's back them up with references and analysis. OK?
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