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Reply #1725 on Today at 4:30pm

Shads, I e-mailed the Capitola paper & N.B.C. affilliate two weeks ago asking if anything had been reported, but so far no response.
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Reply #1726 on Today at 4:37pm

Same with my inquiry to nuforc.org.......i assumed Mr. Davenport would have something to say!?!
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Reply #1727 on Today at 4:38pm


Today at 4:25pm, TheShadow wrote:
I know there have been several inquiries to the local newspaper. Not sure about the PD...good idea! Anyone heard back from the local paper??


I have contacted the CPD 8-) - not heard back yet (only a few hours ago mind) - will of course keep everyone informed as soon as I know. ;)
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Reply #1728 on Today at 4:52pm


Today at 3:57pm, calikid wrote:

Just to stay on topic, didn't someone say Raj had to drive 1-1/2hrs to pickup the hi-res photos off the memory card? Might explain why it is taking him awhile to deliver. 3 hr round trip is a chunk of time (and gas!) for any working guy.



what i don't get is that the 1600x1200 images are on the rajman1977 flickr account currently.

raj just needs to buy the 24.99$ pro account which will release the original 1600x1200 jpgs;

"4) Many have asked about the original camera photos. I uploaded them to Flickr but it won't let anyone download them! Since so many people have requested them, I am wondering if someone has a place where I can upload them so anyone can download them? It would be a pain to individually send them as email attachments to a million people. If you have any ideas please let me know."

and from flickr:

"We resize your photos to more web-friendly dimensions. Each image has a 75x75 pixel thumbnail and 100-, 240-, 500-, and 1024-pixel versions (that's the length of the longest side), as well as your original file.
If you have a free account, no one (including you) can access your original file. If you upgrade to a pro account, your original files are available for download. You can use the global setting in your account to specify who can download originals: Only you; your friends and/or family; your contacts; any Flickr user; or anyone.
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dang, raj where can i send you check?

also, flickr added another generation from the original 1600x1200 jpg. so the current rajman1977 images have been jpeg compressed twice; once by the camera once by flickr:

Does Uploadr compress jpegs?
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Reply #1729 on Today at 4:54pm


Today at 11:38am, spf33 wrote:

Yesterday at 11:51pm, organelle wrote:
Greetings,
In this post I examine some matters related to the phenomenon, and our processing of it.


really enjoyed reading your post.

where do you get the april dates from?:

Chad to C2C (sometime around April 10th, 2007) 7 Pics from: Late April, or ~05.06.07
Mufon 7013 (April 12th, 2007) 2 Pics from: 05.05.07 1st posting online:http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.html
Rajman1977 ([April 20th, 2007) 6 Pics from: 05.16.07




first appearances online(?):

(can't find the original c2c page, i remember a different one first. chad had not yet responded with a second reply.)

chad -
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

tahoe -
http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_sighting_reports.pl?mode=view_long_desc&id=7013

rajman1977
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06



Greetings,

Thanks for the correction. Was a late-night typo. I corrected it now.

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Reply #1730 on Today at 5:00pm

Hopefully this is still on topic here...

In regard to the UFOs in California...may I suggest Gordon Novell mentioned in his interview at Project Camelot that he was going public soon. I think his operations to reverse engineer alien craft are(were) located out west...(coast? :-/)


So perhaps these machines Chad & Raj have come forward with is related to some of Gordon's works! And...part of the "unstoppable" leaks of DISCLOSURE.

IF this were so would he be likely to put the "Klingon" type writing on...

Anyhow as I said in the past FACTS are FACTS...

I'm not seeing too many facts yet...But I have paitents...(hurry-up Raj)..

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Reply #1731 on Today at 5:02pm

*Attention*


This thread has become unstable and off topic over the recent days. I would like to think we have been infiltrated by troublemakers from "other" forums but that would be an unfair assumption on my part.

Everyone, take a deep breath and relax....

A few points to make. As TheShadow likes to label this whole California Drone incident a hoax, I believe it a hoax as well. What seems to be the sticking point is that which is presented as FACT and as OPINION.

We covered this area greatly in the Project Serpo case. When making a claim without substantiating evidence, then the claim becomes nothing more than an opinion anyway. So unsubstantiated claims are really just opinions. So if The Shadow or myself posts that this California Drone case is nothing more than a hoax, and fail to offer evidence of that claim, then our claim is just an opinion. No harm, no foul.

But from the other side of that view we have people making the claims of "Drones" buzzing around the California country side, offering photos as the only real evidence when everyone here realizes that photos are not a reliable depiction of truth anymore. The claims they are making are extraordinary and the burden of proof lays in their laps.

If someone doubts the veracity of the claim and believes it a hoax, they shouldn't have to prove it is a hoax. On the contrary, it then falls upon the person offering this extraordinary claim to show why it isn't a hoax. Failure to even attempt that is questionable.

I'm reminded of the controversial cold-fusion claims made by chemists Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann in 1989 that stirred up the science field years ago. Many top scientists said "no way". These top scientists didn't have to prove the claims were bogus, the ones that made the initial claim of cold fusion had to prove their claims were true. Long story short, the experiment was not able to be duplicated. The burden of evidence fell in Pons and Fleischmann's lap. They shared their data with other scientists and Universities and the results of the experiment could NOT be duplicated .

Chad, Raj, the lady in Tahoe, they offer some pics and post some words and are we all to believe them automatically? No, of course not. We wait for more evidence to come forward. If that never happens, then anyone could justifiably conclude it was all a hoax. At least Pons and Fleischmann tried to convince others by sharing data and evidence. Lack of participation by the one making the claims makes it all that much more difficult to grasp.

In closing, I would like to say that if you are stating your opinion, no matter what that may be, announce it as such for clarification purposes. If you announce it as fact, you will be asked to substantiate that claim. To avoid confusion and arguments, know the difference between the two posting styles and use them appropriately!

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Reply #1732 on Today at 5:03pm

lol! I said to Chris earlier today that we ought to get Gordon over to have a word with Raj and Chad! 8-) ;D - 'great minds' etc,.. ;)
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Reply #1733 on Today at 5:10pm

Well, Gordon crossed my mind before on this...but is seems to easy to muddy up things...if you know what I mean ;)...

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Reply #1734 on Today at 5:15pm


Today at 5:02pm, jeddyhi wrote:
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But from the other side of that view we have people making the claims of "Drones" buzzing around the California country side, offering photos as the only real evidence when everyone here realizes that photos are not a reliable depiction of truth anymore. The claims they are making are extraordinary and the burden of proof lays in their laps.


Hmmm, that's where I differ ;) ( see, it's OK to do that!) - Assuming innocence until proven guilty is the way to go - these people have presented some pictures - I haven't seen any of them saying what they think it is, let alone make any claims. And I don't think we can expect people to always behave and do things the way we *expect* them to - based on our own way of being. We are all (thank heavens) different. If these people are genuine, we can't judge what is going though their minds or their lives right now. So to be their (Devil's) advocate ( ;) ) I'd say - let's not make any judgments based on supposition. Either we get more evidence ( either way) or it remains unresolved - hard and tough - but IMO we can't just fill in the blanks ourselves! ;)
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Reply #1735 on Today at 5:23pm

What can be considered a reliable depiction of the truth in this day and age?

Photo's, Video, Audio, and Testimony can all be faked. What is acceptable evidence?

In Raj's case he only has one of the above four.

(by the way I am straddling the fence on this whole issue)
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Reply #1736 on Today at 5:27pm


Today at 5:23pm, fore wrote:
What can be considered a reliable depiction of the truth in this day and age?

Photo's, Video, Audio, and Testimony can all be faked. What is acceptable evidence?

(by the way I am straddling the fence on this whole issue)


Well...maybe police reports...affidavids(sp)...5,6,10,25 wittinesses from area of 5 mile radius...just to mention a few!

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Reply #1737 on Today at 5:28pm

ok, i just upgraded rajman1977's flickr account.

the 1600x1200 images are available.
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Reply #1738 on Today at 5:39pm


Today at 5:15pm, admin wrote:

Hmmm, that's where I differ ;) ( see, it's OK to do that!) - Assuming innocence until proven guilty is the way to go - these people have presented some pictures - I haven't seen any of them saying what they think it is, let alone make any claims. And I don't think we can expect people to always behave and do things the way we *expect* them to - based on our own way of being. We are all (thank heavens) different. If these people are genuine, we can't judge what is going though their minds or their lives right now. So to be their (Devil's) advocate ( ;) ) I'd say - let's not make any judgments based on supposition. Either we get more evidence ( either way) or it remains unresolved - hard and tough - but IMO we can't just fill in the blanks ourselves! ;)


Good points, Admin. But as open minded skeptics we can't assume every claim and photograph is genuine. I would much rather prefer to believe this as a hoax than as real. Then if I'm proven wrong, I am pleasantly surprised with the results. True believers on the other hand may not subjectively analyze the case or evidence and if it turns out to be hoax, they are not so pleasantly surprised. They are victims.

If I submitted pictures of my new anti-gravity hover car, no one would believe me until I proved it actually existed and worked. And that would be a normal response.

I cannot believe the "Drones" are real until someone proves their existence. Since I or anyone for that matter refuse to believe they are real, that doesn't mean we must prove they are fake. The burden of proof has to lay with the ones presenting them as real. And continued lack of participation into the investigation by these individuals means more than likely that this case will become obscure and a footnote in Ufology. All my opinion, of course! ;)
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Reply #1739 on Today at 5:41pm

Hey, after reading the last six pages, which seem to pop up every time I turn around, I don't see ANY evidence (picture's only? ::) ) to prove it's a reality, but there is a bit to say it's a hoax. It all depends on HOW you want to interpret the information. I'm still sittin' on the fence leaning toward the hoax side. If new evidence comes forward to pull me the other way, great! But even a little would be nice to get me back at least upright.

Some of the so called facts about this sighting just don't add up to me. Too many loose ends and unanswered questions. No response from any of the authorities or papers or.......fill in the blank.

What's wrong with this picture?






The above is my opinion, just to keep that clear ;)
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