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« Reply #1755 on Yesterday at 11:38pm »


Yesterday at 11:30pm, jeddyhi wrote:
I can tell you why I tend to believe hoax. It is not evidence of a hoax, just things that lead me to think hoax.

1] None of the three witnesses called 911 to report this strange craft.

2] No newspaper stories about the photos.

3] No visible effort by the witnesses to actively join in the quest for more information as to what these drones are.

4] Chad's refusal to submit his location to C2C.

5] An example of calling authorities when something strange is going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QOfXqCDmUQ

6] A lack of corroborating witnesses.

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« Reply #1756 on Yesterday at 11:55pm »


Yesterday at 11:38pm, Maro Farez wrote:
In the Meta tags under "File" it reads:

Directory E:\Galactic Tarot Cards\Incoming

Is this the directory used from Raj's computer to upload the pics to flickr?



No, from mine ;) It is put there because of the directory that I made for it.

The galactic tarot cards is something unrelated and has to do with garuda.
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« Reply #1757 on Today at 12:00am »

Colorsym,

I just wanted to get an idea from those believers what it is that makes them believe. You didn't even need to answer for that matter. It told me nothing anyway. And yes faith is a GOOD thing, whatever it is you believe in.

Edit to add: Thanks Jed for your response ;D
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« Reply #1758 on Today at 12:11am »


Yesterday at 11:30pm, jeddyhi wrote:

I can tell you why I tend to believe hoax. It is not evidence of a hoax, just things that lead me to think hoax.

1] None of the three witnesses called 911 to report this strange craft.


I did'nt know that had been checked...

So that would meet Whoopeddog's question "Has anyone contacted the Capitola, CA police department to inquire whether the Raj object was reported to them around 5/16/07?"
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« Reply #1759 on Today at 12:13am »


Today at 12:11am, Nemo492 wrote:
So that would meet Whoopeddog's question "Has anyone contacted the Capitola, CA police department to inquire whether the Raj object was reported to them around 5/16/07?"


Admin said he contacted them today...no response yet. Although Raj never claimed he called the police...just that he sent the pics to the paper
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« Reply #1760 on Today at 12:14am »

why i think its not a hoax:

1. the media not mentioning it AT ALL is very suspicious.

2. i believe its safe to say they gov knows of these pics - therefore the lack of information from the gov or any "official" source is suspicious. if they have nothing to hide then this seems like something they "should" be worried about or atleast be addressing as a "hoax", right? ;)

3. raj's pictures dont look fake. in my opinion, none of them look fake nor have they been proven to be fake nor has anyone even come close to any intelligent solid reason why they are fake.

4. the lack of cooperation from earthfiles, mufon, c2c and any other "source" is suspicious. if this is a hoax, the lack of their cooperation along with the gov's "lets play dumb" attitude says to me... many things. one being they all together pulled this off.

5. whats the interest from the "skeptics" if they are so sure its a hoax? suspicious.

6. i can feel it my bones - rattling my spine when i think about it. and i'll admit i'm confused as well.

7. if i saw this thing i dont know if i would call 911 or not. i dont think i would because i feel theres nothing (the police?) could do or that i feel they should be doing?? ??? i dont understand what they could do i guess. and i totally suspect them to think i'm lying and/or crazy. i have seen ufos before and i have never reported them. i may report now if i ever got photos as good as these, just for "proofs" sake for all the unbelievers, BUT i would remain anonymous which also means you cant know where i live or where my family and friends live.
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« Reply #1761 on Today at 12:19am »

The lack of media coverage is curious.

Also curious because the craft does not resemble any other typical ufo photo.
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« Reply #1762 on Today at 12:29am »


Yesterday at 10:02pm, jeddyhi wrote:

If someone doubts the veracity of the claim and believes it a hoax, they shouldn't have to prove it is a hoax. On the contrary, it then falls upon the person offering this extraordinary claim to show why it isn't a hoax. Failure to even attempt that is questionable.

I'm reminded of the controversial cold-fusion claims made by chemists Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann in 1989 that stirred up the science field years ago. Many top scientists said "no way". These top scientists didn't have to prove the claims were bogus, the ones that made the initial claim of cold fusion had to prove their claims were true. Long story short, the experiment was not able to be duplicated. The burden of evidence fell in Pons and Fleischmann's lap. They shared their data with other scientists and Universities and the results of the experiment could NOT be duplicated .


Agreed 100%. What a great post!

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'd settle for some video and a couple of witnesses identified and interviewed by the major media, but we don't even that.

Unfortunately, since the UFO field has been rife with hoaxers since the 1960's (people like Meiers and Adamski come to mind) and because CG technology has advanced at such a rate, the default stance of any respectable investigator faced with an uncorroborated set of UFO pictures should be 'Prove it!'.

p.s. Thanks for the upgraded photo's!
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« Reply #1763 on Today at 12:41am »


Yesterday at 10:28pm, spf33 wrote:
ok, i just upgraded rajman1977's flickr account.

the 1600x1200 images are available.



You are a prince among men my friend :)


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« Reply #1764 on Today at 12:42am »

I was reading every page of this thread till about page 85 or so... since then I've only been reading the last five pages each time I visit, so I’ve missed a couple pages here and there. Perhaps this question has already been asked and addressed. If it has been, feel free to scorn me… I can take it.

Did anyone notice in the last two raj photos (the ones where the corner of a house is present) the object is way off to the right and not centered in the pic? Did this bother anyone else? I guess not if no one has brought it up. It just reminded me of that first fake O’Hare pic…
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« Reply #1765 on Today at 12:43am »


Today at 12:14am, colorsymphony wrote:
why i think its not a hoax:

1. the media not mentioning it AT ALL is very suspicious.


Strange. Lack of Media involvement makes me think hoax but leads you to think it adds credence to being real.


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2. i believe its safe to say they gov knows of these pics - therefore the lack of information from the gov or any "official" source is suspicious. if they have nothing to hide then this seems like something they "should" be worried about or atleast be addressing as a "hoax", right? ;)


You cannot realistically believe to know what the USG is thinking or doing. Do you expect their involvement with every pic of a UFO that surfaces. Lets keep it real, please! ;)


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3. raj's pictures dont look fake. in my opinion, none of them look fake nor have they been proven to be fake nor has anyone even come close to any intelligent solid reason why they are fake.


Have you seen the movie "300", or any Hollywood production involving CGI techniques. The goal is to make it look real. So in my opinion, digital pictures are no longer viable evidence of extraordinary claims. Some un-altered 35mm negatives would work nicely though.


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4. the lack of cooperation from earthfiles, mufon, c2c and any other "source" is suspicious. if this is a hoax, the lack of their cooperation along with the gov's "lets play dumb" attitude says to me... many things. one being they all together pulled this off.


Let me get this straight. No one is co-operating with anyone else because this is a real event? Maybe, just maybe, certain individuals are dropping this topic like a hot potato because of the lack of corroborating evidence.


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5. whats the interest from the "skeptics" if they are so sure its a hoax? suspicious.


What is the interest from the believers if they are so sure its real? Suspicious!


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6. i can feel it my bones - rattling my spine when i think about it. and i'm confused as well.


Confusion is normal at this point. I think we are all a little confused


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7. if i saw this thing i dont know if i would call 911 or not. i dont think i would because i feel theres nothing (the police?) could do or that i feel they should be doing?? ???


How about a policeman that states he witnessed the object. You know, a little corroborating evidence! And a police report to verify and authenticate the sighting.


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i dont understand what they could do i guess. and i totally suspect them to think i'm lying and/or crazy. i have seen ufos before and i have never reported them. i may report now if i ever got photos as good as these, just for "proofs" sake for all the unbelievers, BUT i would remain anonymous which also means you cant know where i live or where my family and friends live.
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I'm afraid your reluctance to be a witness would nullify anything you reported anyway. Fear of ridicule must not stand in the way of disclosing something extraordinary. Nobody really believes an anonymous source. That was the problem with Serpo!
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« Reply #1766 on Today at 12:45am »

Thanks Colorsym,

Was that so hard? ;) I'm in the same boat as you, but as I stated, just leaning the other way. I have also seen UFOs. And once as I also said way back on page?? I did report it. That's another story. Anyway, I have also seen some that I did not report, due to the nature of "it/them" coming and going so quickly.

If I had taken those picture's like Chad/Raj, I don't really know what I would do. I can say one thing and might do another. I just don't know. Not until I actually get a nice clear picture(s) to deal with on my own will I know. I do know however for fact, they will show up on OM first. ;D Just how soon, after the initial shock wears off first.

Hmmm..... wonder if Chad/Raj ARE over the shock yet? I imagine Chad would be if he's seen them that many times. And there lies another problem........I just don't get it, to see them that often and only have pic's and no vid's
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