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Reply #1785 on Today at 8:33pm


Today at 8:24pm, jeddyhi wrote:

In every photo I have looked at, the object appears to me to be about 5-10 feet long. If it is a real object, It wasn't designed for passengers.


Jedd,

With all due respect. If you see this thing as 5 to 10 feet long I'd say it's time to update the prescription, dude. ;)

But I do agree, it's not for passengers. They're remotely piloted drones for recon. Think of the Mars rovers.
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Reply #1786 on Today at 8:37pm


Today at 8:29pm, 10538 wrote:
Maybe your expectations of Raj were a little too high. I for one am very happy with what he has brought so far. I'm hoping he stays with us but with all the accusations of hoax and the stupid name calling I wouldn't blame him if he blew us off. Could it be the debunker want to scare him off?



For pete's sake, you busted me! I wanted Raj out of here so the truth of weird looking drones would not get out. ;D

Perhaps Raj could not supply answers that were asked of him. Particularly, the one about what paper he submitted photos to!

There is nothing, I repeat nothing that can be verified. If there is, I'm completely open to analyzing it and changing my opinion! ;)
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Reply #1787 on Today at 8:39pm


Today at 7:56pm, regence wrote:
Idea! Can anyone read the pole numbers on the yellow tag in the new high res pictures? They are almost readable but need some enhancement.

My local utility has an online database of these numbers. These may be a way to track the location.



i can't get anything readable from them.

but it might help to know what to look for; any idea what the sequence would look like? i.e how many #'s, letters?

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Reply #1788 on Today at 8:43pm


Today at 8:33pm, 10538 wrote:

Today at 8:24pm, jeddyhi wrote:

In every photo I have looked at, the object appears to me to be about 5-10 feet long. If it is a real object, It wasn't designed for passengers.


Jedd,

With all due respect. If you see this thing as 5 to 10 feet long I'd say it's time to update the prescription, dude. ;)

But I do agree, it's not for passengers. They're remotely piloted drones for recon. Think of the Mars rovers.


Let me guess, you see this as over 100 feet long, right? In most of the photos, its barely above the treetops and looks small. In the photos over the wires, it looks like it is pretty close to the wires. By judging the size of the pole, and the fact that the lettering is somewhat readable, the craft is not large in any sense of the word. I would love to be proven wrong though! In my opinion, the craft is not that big. I think a large craft would be noticed and reported by more than 3 witnessess. Chad says he sees it all the time. How come nobody else does?

PS: In the photos where the craft is shown in the distance, again it looks small!
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Reply #1789 on Today at 8:57pm


Today at 8:20pm, jeddyhi wrote:

...but everywhere across the internet, "experts" have stated the opposite. That these are CGI. That is the general consensus.


any links?

i might have mentioned it earlier, might have not - i've now showed all these images to 15 of my peers. cg pros across disciplines and techniques. masters in their fields, broadcast, film, games, web, fine arts, creative directors, compositors, modelers, lighters, texture artists...

5 were in the "absolutely cg camp", the rest fell into "damn, could be real" camp.

but of course, that's just anecdotal evidence.

and so is the fact that i emailed a few forensic imaging analysts.
2 had reasons why their individual software techniques wont work with these images and one said analyzing is based of a database of cameras; the minolta dimage not being in the database.

i'm curious which experts are declaring these cg?
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Reply #1790 on Today at 8:58pm

Just spent awhile with adobe photoshop, zooming in on details. . . and man are they good.


Today at 7:49pm, regence wrote:
Looking at the new larger PICT0016 I am seeing a lot of visual anomalies.

#1 A stray powerline wire leading nowhere at the 8 oclock position on the craft (directly along the edge of one of the 'wings')

Took me awhile but finally figured it out to be the control rods on the top of these little arms.


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#2 At the 11 oclock position, the wing crosses over a high tension wire. The wire appears to have a kink in it to the right. In fact, both of the wires in that location don't look straight. I remember there was a discussion on this earlier. Is it an artifact of editing or a real behavior of this type of wire.

The same kink is in pic #17, exact same location. Could be a real kink. Don't know. We need a utility technician to weigh in.


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#3 The shadows on the inside of the 'crown' appear inconsistent.

Not sure. There is something a bit strange about the shadows in front of each fin attached to the bottom of the donut. Hard to tell.

BTW, the shadowing in pic #15 appear to be right-on for a photograph. The inside donut fin's shadows are exceptionally accurate to sun positioning.


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On the other hand, if I was a hoaxer I would not have uploaded an image of this resolution, so I'm not sure if these really prove anything.
Yes. These pics are really good. Way better than Chads.



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Reply #1791 on Today at 9:00pm

golfer jedi dude, i'm glad you weren't the one trying to get raj in here. thanks 8-)
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Reply #1792 on Today at 9:15pm


Today at 8:33pm, 10538 wrote:
But I do agree, it's not for passengers. They're remotely piloted drones for recon. Think of the Mars rovers.


Ummm do you have proof of this? Sounds like the kind of statement that needs facts to bck it up
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Reply #1793 on Today at 9:16pm


Today at 8:57pm, spf33 wrote:
5 were in the "absolutely cg camp", the rest fell into "damn, could be real" camp.


I must say, I've moved over to the side of 'possibly real'. The Chad depth-of-field anomalies screamed tampering to me. But these Raj pics are a different story.

Who knows maybe Chad is an agent who has purposely doctored the photos and made up a story to create plausible deniability. Because the USAF knew these things were flying around and needed to create a hoax-like diversion from any potential real sightings that might surface.

Maybe Raj is legit. If so, he or his family may have been contacted over the weekend.

Just throwing out a little speculation . . .


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Reply #1794 on Today at 9:18pm

Must I be a sympathetic believer for Raj to tell his story and offer any corroborating details? I'm open to any evidence and my opinion is not written in stone.

After viewing this CGI generated photo of a car, I find photographic evidence can no longer stand just by itself. It must have corroborating evidence to go with it or we all risk being victims to hoaxes.

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Reply #1795 on Today at 9:18pm

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Reply #1796 on Today at 9:25pm

Again, I say that we have pretty pictures.

And nothing else.

No matter how you see these photos, try to imagine where you would stand if we never got any more information.
No more photos, no new witnesses, no more words from Raj. Nothing.

What would you think then?
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Reply #1797 on Today at 9:26pm


Today at 9:18pm, jeddyhi wrote:
After viewing this CGI generated photo of a car, I find photographic evidence can no longer stand just by itself. It must have corroborating evidence to go with it or we all risk being victims to hoaxes.


thanks for giving us the link or any kind of info saying this is actually fake. i see its from your photobucket. let me guess, you scanned this 2 seconds ago from a magazine right? just kidding ;) but seriously, i'de like to see more about this.
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Reply #1798 on Today at 9:27pm


Today at 9:25pm, emerald wrote:
No matter how you see these photos, try to imagine where you would stand if we never got any more information.
No more photos, no new witnesses, no more words from Raj. Nothing.

What would you think then?

Hoax
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Reply #1799 on Today at 9:28pm

a) that raj got a visit from the MIB.

b) that he was a hoaxer.

c) that he doesn't care enough to bring forth more details and corroberations.

d) all of the above.

*e) that dan had him silenced, so that we would all pay attention to his thread about the BPWH.
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