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« Reply #1830 on Today at 1:31am »

That would be an incredibly lame and hamfisted "disinfo" hit. It does no damage to the credibility of Raj or the photos; just makes them unavailable for a while. It makes Raj look like a victim, in fact. Makes flickr look kind of porous, too, if a semiliterate 13 year old can do that.
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« Reply #1831 on Today at 1:41am »

Craigslist posts only last a week. Many get 'flagged' sooner by people who decide for one reason or another that the content is inappropriate or in the wrong category...anyone who can see can flag.
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Today at 1:41am, organelle wrote:
Craigslist posts only last a week. Many get 'flagged' sooner by people who decide for one reason or another that the content is inappropriate or in the wrong category...anyone who can see can flag.


right. but i remember reading a site that linked to the flickr account and a craigslist post at the same time, claiming the criaglist post had just been removed.

this was the same morning that the rajman1977 photos went up on flickr.

the craigslist post must have been deleted within just a few hours. i remember thinking at the time that it was odd how quickly the post was removed.

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« Reply #1833 on Today at 1:53am »

Hmm, it was still there over 5 hrs later, because I linked to it in my blog and tested it: organelle7.blogspot.com - it probably did get flagged however, the SF board has a broad spectrum of flaggers...

One or more people later asked (on craigslist) where it went...there was one person in particular who appeared relatively obsessed with it.

Heh, NO - it wasn't me ... ;)
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« Reply #1834 on Today at 1:54am »

spf33 just upgraded the account. Is this what happens to "upgraded" accounts? I think flickr should fix this.
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Today at 12:44am, spf33 wrote:
rajman1977 flickr account currently hacked!

bizarre. completely bizarre.

grabbed screenshots and saved pages.
LMAO!!! Jake you were right! Phew good thing we acted quickly!

Hey SPF33..I think now you have a case for why you can get your money back. Start the charge back and call customer service. (Unless you paid to receive this porn.) ;D
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« Reply #1836 on Today at 3:01am »


Yesterday at 8:33pm, 10538 wrote:

Yesterday at 8:24pm, jeddyhi wrote:

In every photo I have looked at, the object appears to me to be about 5-10 feet long. If it is a real object, It wasn't designed for passengers.


Jedd,

With all due respect. If you see this thing as 5 to 10 feet long I'd say it's time to update the prescription, dude. ;)

But I do agree, it's not for passengers. They're remotely piloted drones for recon. Think of the Mars rovers.


NASA never retrieved their rovers and satellites back to earth.
Guess these drones are the same, they go on and on for weeks and months, then die after mission accomplished. Where's the best place to die and leave no trace behind?

Chad saw it 9 times in a hilly forest near his house so the drone was perhaps hiding in a forest during daytime and out in the dark.
The Capitola's drone was probably heading back to Santa Cruz mountains area to hide and it makes perfect sense that it flew over a sleepy suburb.
Hope Raj will tell us more about the direction in which it flew away.
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« Reply #1837 on Today at 3:11am »

I also have theories regarding authenticity and possibility of hoaxing, but something else has drawn me away from the real/hoax discussion. These people, either a hoaxer or of ET origin, are showing us diverse symbolism in the shapes of these craft. I gave up on the real/hoax issue and went beyond to see a bigger picture. Either fake or real, the symbolism derived in these images is showing us something. The creators or creator are definitely trying to make a statement with these images and shapes. What that is is what I am after now.
If they are a hoax, the designer or designers of this hoax did shape these vehicles in this manner to make some of us pose the question, why these differing shapes? Did they mean this as some cryptic joke? Or is it something that symbolizes their message to the masses that they duped?
But if they are real, there's also the possibility that these craft are sent to us to show us meaning , almost a hey, we're back after soooooo long being gone and here are the symbols that will awaken something in the minds of all of the people it's meant for. One thing these craft all share is, the craft are shaped different from one another yet similar. When "nested" together they show us a star symbol or a Celtic cross. But separated they each create their own symbols and could be construed as a message to the viewers of the craft from below.
Just look at this fresco painting circa 1350 AD and notice the spires coming off the craft and the shape. Never have I seen a real picture of one of these type craft anywhere but in this painting, but it would make you suspect from the painting that this was a literal interpretation of what the author had seen in his mind or was seeing when given the idea for this art piece, but yet since then, no sighting of any craft even similar until now, the closest to these craft I can find so far in my research is this fresco, but I'm still looking.
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And if you are interested as I am into the symbolism of all this, start with Nibiru, the Annunaki, and the Mayan calendar. And Nibiru just happens to mean planet of the crossing and the symbol for the nibiru is the cross, the Celtic cross to be exact, a cross with a ring in the center. More is out there if you dig deep enough, open your mind, you might just find some answers.
So, is it a hoaxers way of putting out some end-time supposition, and throwing us onto a trail which they deem enlightenment for the masses who can see through to the real message here?
Or is it the vanguard of the returning planet Nibiru, which even NASA themselves still can't confirm the existence or non-existence of ? Is it their way of trying to awaken us with simple symbolism? No matter what anyone says, this has awakened many to the UFO investigation world and because of this group of sightings alone, we have grown as a community of free thinking individuals who can and will make the world a better place to live in. Prove it's real or fake, but I see a bigger picture either way.
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« Reply #1838 on Today at 5:04am »

Greetings,

Well much is afoot I see. Then again, a foot is a very interesting thing...

Here's the updated image of the symbols from the rajCraft:

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A lot of new detail was available in the high-res images. However, I still can't work out the 5th symbol from the top left (rightwards). It may be the same as the first symbol on the bottom left. Also the third symbol may be actually joined to the 2nd. However the F-like character stands out quite clearly.

Some of these symbols improve on the impressions available from the chadCraft (the X-like symbols, particularly), however I will probably leave that set largely unchanged for now.
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Today at 3:11am, endzone wrote:

Or is it the vanguard of the returning planet Nibiru, which even NASA themselves still can't confirm the existence or non-existence of ? Is it their way of trying to awaken us with simple symbolism? No matter what anyone says, this has awakened many to the UFO investigation world and because of this group of sightings alone, we have grown as a community of free thinking individuals who can and will make the world a better place to live in. Prove it's real or fake, but I see a bigger picture either way.


Hi Endzone,
You brought us back to the right track cos no matter they're a hoax or the real McCoy at least we're using our openminds to think & imagine, all good stuff and nothing wasted.

Lets say we're a bunch of highly intelligent & civilized beings from a galaxy far far away and discovered Earth not long ago. Then our congress wants to organize a mission to Earth to collect data and the budget is set. In a perfect world, we could send out some EBEs looking like Michael Jackson to do the business but it'll scare the crap out of the earthlings. Putting a few large UFOs out scanning the earth will cause panic in the sky and on the ground. So the most effective and cheapest way to collect large amount of data is by using unretrievable space probes (drones). Have a few satellites outside earth to beam the signal back to our planet and we've a detailed 3D map of Earth far more superior than Goggle Earth.

After studying all the data and understanding the English language, our drones for the next mission will have some English writings on the arms for a change. :D
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Today at 3:11am, endzone wrote:
I also have theories regarding authenticity and possibility of hoaxing, but something else has drawn me away from the real/hoax discussion. These people, either a hoaxer or of ET origin, are showing us diverse symbolism in the shapes of these craft. I gave up on the real/hoax issue and went beyond to see a bigger picture. Either fake or real, the symbolism derived in these images is showing us something. The creators or creator are definitely trying to make a statement with these images and shapes. What that is is what I am after now.
If they are a hoax, the designer or designers of this hoax did shape these vehicles in this manner to make some of us pose the question, why these differing shapes? Did they mean this as some cryptic joke? Or is it something that symbolizes their message to the masses that they duped?
But if they are real, there's also the possibility that these craft are sent to us to show us meaning , almost a hey, we're back after soooooo long being gone and here are the symbols that will awaken something in the minds of all of the people it's meant for. One thing these craft all share is, the craft are shaped different from one another yet similar. When "nested" together they show us a star symbol or a Celtic cross. But separated they each create their own symbols and could be construed as a message to the viewers of the craft from below.
Just look at this fresco painting circa 1350 AD and notice the spires coming off the craft and the shape. Never have I seen a real picture of one of these type craft anywhere but in this painting, but it would make you suspect from the painting that this was a literal interpretation of what the author had seen in his mind or was seeing when given the idea for this art piece, but yet since then, no sighting of any craft even similar until now, the closest to these craft I can find so far in my research is this fresco, but I'm still looking.
[image]
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And if you are interested as I am into the symbolism of all this, start with Nibiru, the Annunaki, and the Mayan calendar. And Nibiru just happens to mean planet of the crossing and the symbol for the nibiru is the cross, the Celtic cross to be exact, a cross with a ring in the center. More is out there if you dig deep enough, open your mind, you might just find some answers.
So, is it a hoaxers way of putting out some end-time supposition, and throwing us onto a trail which they deem enlightenment for the masses who can see through to the real message here?
Or is it the vanguard of the returning planet Nibiru, which even NASA themselves still can't confirm the existence or non-existence of ? Is it their way of trying to awaken us with simple symbolism? No matter what anyone says, this has awakened many to the UFO investigation world and because of this group of sightings alone, we have grown as a community of free thinking individuals who can and will make the world a better place to live in. Prove it's real or fake, but I see a bigger picture either way.


actually a lot of ancient paintings from 1200 thro 1800 contain such imagery enbedded within a bigger mostly at times religious paintings

Perhaps up until recently aliens were in open contact with humans but as our technology advanced they retreated ( also perhaps it was simple abduction cases but due to them being treated as angels etc they didnt need to hide) with our technology at least in the "real world sceniro most disbelievers inhabit) is moving ahead rapidly ( more rapidly if captured alien tech is helping along the R and D show)
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« Reply #1841 on Today at 9:09am »

This whole thing just gets weirder and weirder, doesn’t it? For somebody to hack into Raj’s Flickr account and trash it just seems to emphasize the extent to which this whole thing is basically an internet phenomenon. It will be interesting to see whether Raj will respond.

My take on this whole “Hoax versus Real” dilemma is that, on some level, it’s a false dichotomy. Because no matter how real the objects might be, we are essentially interacting with a story. And our reactions to the story tell us as much about ourselves as they do about what the objects on the other end might be.

I still think it is worthwhile to track down the corroborating details, but I think we must caution ourselves not to think that we’ll ever get to “the truth.” We may refine the story and get closer approximations to truth, but who knows how close we’ll really get?

I continue to lean towards the side of believing it’s a hoax, for all the reasons previously mentioned by others who also lean that way. But part of the reason is personal—I don’t want to be made a fool of. I want to believe that something is out there and I resent that some people want to muddy the waters just for fun.

I do think in another sense that even if this turns out to be a hoax, it can serve the purpose to help sharpen everyone’s thinking and ability to sort out a story, and most of all it tells us how we relate to the story.

Even if this is real, we are still not dealing with the thing itself, but instead we are dealing with someone’s story about it. We are one step removed from reality, and that is true even if we see it ourselves! Once it goes around the corner, we’re no longer dealing with the object, but with our memory of it and our story about it, which is altered slightly every time we retell it even to our own selves.

But that’s half the fun, and I guess that’s what kept this thing going for 125 pages.
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« Reply #1842 on Today at 9:38am »


Today at 7:05am, magooollo wrote:

Today at 3:11am, endzone wrote:
I also have theories regarding authenticity and possibility of hoaxing, but something else has drawn me away from the real/hoax discussion. These people, either a hoaxer or of ET origin, are showing us diverse symbolism in the shapes of these craft. I gave up on the real/hoax issue and went beyond to see a bigger picture. Either fake or real, the symbolism derived in these images is showing us something. The creators or creator are definitely trying to make a statement with these images and shapes. What that is is what I am after now.
If they are a hoax, the designer or designers of this hoax did shape these vehicles in this manner to make some of us pose the question, why these differing shapes? Did they mean this as some cryptic joke? Or is it something that symbolizes their message to the masses that they duped?
But if they are real, there's also the possibility that these craft are sent to us to show us meaning , almost a hey, we're back after soooooo long being gone and here are the symbols that will awaken something in the minds of all of the people it's meant for. One thing these craft all share is, the craft are shaped different from one another yet similar. When "nested" together they show us a star symbol or a Celtic cross. But separated they each create their own symbols and could be construed as a message to the viewers of the craft from below.
Just look at this fresco painting circa 1350 AD and notice the spires coming off the craft and the shape. Never have I seen a real picture of one of these type craft anywhere but in this painting, but it would make you suspect from the painting that this was a literal interpretation of what the author had seen in his mind or was seeing when given the idea for this art piece, but yet since then, no sighting of any craft even similar until now, the closest to these craft I can find so far in my research is this fresco, but I'm still looking.
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And if you are interested as I am into the symbolism of all this, start with Nibiru, the Annunaki, and the Mayan calendar. And Nibiru just happens to mean planet of the crossing and the symbol for the nibiru is the cross, the Celtic cross to be exact, a cross with a ring in the center. More is out there if you dig deep enough, open your mind, you might just find some answers.
So, is it a hoaxers way of putting out some end-time supposition, and throwing us onto a trail which they deem enlightenment for the masses who can see through to the real message here?
Or is it the vanguard of the returning planet Nibiru, which even NASA themselves still can't confirm the existence or non-existence of ? Is it their way of trying to awaken us with simple symbolism? No matter what anyone says, this has awakened many to the UFO investigation world and because of this group of sightings alone, we have grown as a community of free thinking individuals who can and will make the world a better place to live in. Prove it's real or fake, but I see a bigger picture either way.


actually a lot of ancient paintings from 1200 thro 1800 contain such imagery enbedded within a bigger mostly at times religious paintings

Perhaps up until recently aliens were in open contact with humans but as our technology advanced they retreated ( also perhaps it was simple abduction cases but due to them being treated as angels etc they didnt need to hide) with our technology at least in the "real world sceniro most disbelievers inhabit) is moving ahead rapidly ( more rapidly if captured alien tech is helping along the R and D show)

The painting on the bottom looks kinda familiar to me... ;)
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« Reply #1843 on Today at 10:21am »

still waiting to hear back from flickr, just posted "Account Hacked?" thread on the flickr forum.

at this point, i'm guessing that rajman1977 deleted his own images, uploaded the porn and changed the profile info.

...unless someone sent rajman1977 a phishing email disguised as coming from flickr and he gave away his password.
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Today at 9:38am, ivo5000 wrote:
The painting on the bottom looks kinda familiar to me... ;)

Now you know your's is flying in the wrong direction. ;D


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This hacker of Raj's flickr account may well be someone who is reading this board, as the timing is too coincidental.

Yes fore, good thing we acted fast. BTW fore, when you enlarged them to 4 meg files, it appears that something was lost. I notice that my direct downloads from flickr have slightly more clarity when enlarged by adobe photoshop to the same size as yours.

If anyone did not get them and would like them, PM me and I will email them to you.

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