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Reply #2055 on Yesterday at 8:29pm


Yesterday at 8:09pm, admin wrote:
I asked him for clarification - and that was when he passed on my queries to detective Gonzales.


so he never replied back... hmmmm ??? maybe i'm just over analyzing this... maybe not.
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Reply #2056 on Yesterday at 8:44pm


Yesterday at 8:25pm, sqt wrote:

Yesterday at 6:56pm, garuda wrote:
But at present, photos are still accepted as proof.


This is the one sentence I have a problem with. Photos aren't "proof" any more than someone's claims of seeing something strange are "proof" that they did in fact see it. The photos are a piece of evidence that needs to be critically examined, especially when they are as extraordinary as these are.

Proof: "Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."


I understand what you are saying, but that doesn't take away the fact that if a claimant in a court of law produces photographs as evidence, it is up to the defendant to prove the evidence is not acceptable.

Still, that might change soon, the way things are going with CGI...
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Reply #2057 on Yesterday at 8:50pm


Yesterday at 8:44pm, garuda wrote:

Yesterday at 8:25pm, sqt wrote:


This is the one sentence I have a problem with. Photos aren't "proof" any more than someone's claims of seeing something strange are "proof" that they did in fact see it. The photos are a piece of evidence that needs to be critically examined, especially when they are as extraordinary as these are.

Proof: "Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."


I understand what you are saying, but that doesn't take away the fact that if a claimant in a court of law produces photographs as evidence, it is up to the defendant to prove the evidence is not acceptable.

Still, that might change soon, the way things are going with CGI...


Hmmm... would that be the case? In a court of law (in the US, for example), isn't the burden of proof on the prosecution, to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt? It is not the defendant who needs to prove he is innocent.

Then again, I am not a lawyer! :)

Oh, and I agree with you about CGI...
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Reply #2058 on Yesterday at 8:54pm

i just called the south lake tahoe police depatment inquiring if there were any strange craft or ufo reports in the past month. the first woman transfered me to another woman who when i asked her if there were any reports she instantly said "no. we would know if there were any reports because everyone would be talking about it." i couldn't argue with that so i said thank you and she said have a nice day.
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Reply #2059 on Yesterday at 9:11pm

The court of law thing IMO can be approached from 2 angles. Neither of which would accompllish anything.

1. Put the photos on trial. Meaning the photos are considered hoax until proven otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.
2. Put those that claimed to see this thing on trial. Meaning we must prove they did not see this thing.

Either way...at this point and time I feel the defendant walks! In the American legal system you are innocent until proven guilty. Put any 12 of us in a room as a jury of peers and try to get us to reach a unanimous decision....aint gonna happen and we end up with a hung jury. Without more evidence nothing can be proven.
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Reply #2060 on Yesterday at 9:12pm


Yesterday at 8:25pm, sqt wrote:

Yesterday at 6:56pm, garuda wrote:
But at present, photos are still accepted as proof.


This is the one sentence I have a problem with. Photos aren't "proof" any more than someone's claims of seeing something strange are "proof" that they did in fact see it. The photos are a piece of evidence that needs to be critically examined, especially when they are as extraordinary as these are.

Proof: "Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."


What can be regarded as "proof" must of course in practice
depend on the circumstances. For instance a photo taken by a 5 years old boy or the pope must be regarded as true, at least
what their contribution concern.
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Reply #2061 on Yesterday at 9:18pm

the woman at the south lake tahoe pd was very quick to respond with a, "NO" which leaves a couple possibilities, still, in my opinion.
a. one being she has had other calls in reguards to this and she is sick of dealing with it.
b. "someone" has instructed the police departments to remain quiet in reguards to this.
c. no one reported anything to the police because x.) its a hoax, or y.) its real and no one thought to call the pd.

ugh. ??? :(
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Reply #2062 on Yesterday at 9:22pm


Yesterday at 9:12pm, mgrandin wrote:

Yesterday at 8:25pm, sqt wrote:


This is the one sentence I have a problem with. Photos aren't "proof" any more than someone's claims of seeing something strange are "proof" that they did in fact see it. The photos are a piece of evidence that needs to be critically examined, especially when they are as extraordinary as these are.

Proof: "Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."


What can be regarded as "proof" must of course in practice
depend on the circumstances. For instance a photo taken by a 5 years old boy or the pope must be regarded as true, at least
what their contribution concern.


Lest we forget, there is more than just the photos in this case.

Raj has made a claim that he witnessed this object in the sky. In order to substantiate his claim he has submitted these photos as evidence/proof.

At this point, WE ARE THE JUDGES (at least here at OM) deciding if the photos should be validated as evidence/proof of his claim.


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Reply #2063 on Yesterday at 9:27pm


Yesterday at 1:57am, onthefence wrote:
Here's a little distraction from the "smoking gun" :)

Many thanks to organelle for his font analysis. I've just tried to put these fonts together with the idea that simple primitives (strokes) where used to create the font. I also tried to square up the perspective on some images so that the font is viewed straight on.

I ignored the orientation because in my opinion since we are dealing with a possible alien -- they may not recognize orientation.

I also ignored the divide symbol and the tiny circle which seem like a 3D bolt/rivet because they don't fit into my model :)

Shown below is the separation from the two clearest sightings and which characters are repeated, common, unique and the entire set.

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I noticed that the font could be made fairly easily with mostly the sword shape and a few simple dots, ovals, and lines.


has anyone seen the characters @ http://www.omniglot.com/writing/aurekbesh.htm
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Reply #2064 on Yesterday at 9:34pm


Yesterday at 8:54pm, colorsymphony wrote:
i just called the south lake tahoe police depatment inquiring if there were any strange craft or ufo reports in the past month. the first woman transfered me to another woman who when i asked her if there were any reports she instantly said "no. we would know if there were any reports because everyone would be talking about it." i couldn't argue with that so i said thank you and she said have a nice day.
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Kind of weird. Did you ask about any date in particular? I would think the PD would want to do a records check of calls for what ever date (5/5/07?) the Tahoe photos were suppose to have been taken. Not likely that lady works 24x7.


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Reply #2065 on Yesterday at 9:52pm

i told them i was an "independent UFO investigator" 8-) and asked if there were any reports in the month of may. i didn't give an exact date, nor did she want to keep talking to me. her reply was fast like she had said it before or knew what to say and she gave me no other info. that is all.
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Reply #2066 on Yesterday at 9:55pm

just some random observations from throughout the day on the 1600x1200 version of pic 16 - mostly stuff i didn't notice in the 1024x768 versions;

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i'm torn between posting full res or thumbnails...
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Reply #2067 on Yesterday at 9:57pm

Can you imagine the morning briefing at the Capiola California PD this morning? We have all seen the cop show where the officers get briefed before their shifts! I can imagine the wisecracks that came out of that room this morning.........and i imagine about every other radio call to each other today is....."OMG its a UFO!!! LOL
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Reply #2068 on Yesterday at 10:01pm


Yesterday at 8:44pm, garuda wrote:

Yesterday at 8:25pm, sqt wrote:


This is the one sentence I have a problem with. Photos aren't "proof" any more than someone's claims of seeing something strange are "proof" that they did in fact see it. The photos are a piece of evidence that needs to be critically examined, especially when they are as extraordinary as these are.

Proof: "Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth."




I understand what you are saying, but that doesn't take away the fact that if a claimant in a court of law produces photographs as evidence, it is up to the defendant to prove the evidence is not acceptable.

Still, that might change soon, the way things are going with CGI...


Where you keep going wrong with this is that prior to evidence, including photographs, being accepted for the trial, a hearing is held. The judge must determine if the photos are genuine. To do that, he rquires proof from whomever is submitting them. Then, there has to be a "chain of custody" shown to prove that there was no tampering along the way. Photos are not just accepted blindly as you are suggesting.
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Reply #2069 on Yesterday at 10:28pm

To spf33,

Outstanding work!
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