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Reply #2100 on Today at 3:18am

interesting regarding him being or not being a c2c member
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Yesterday at 9:09pm, calikid wrote:
For simple comparisons (note the Yellow HIGH VOLTAGE signs).

Another simple possibility where each label could be one word (HIGH, VOLTAGE) ;)
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Came to me as I was waking up this morning.
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Today at 7:13am, onthefence wrote:

Came to me as I was waking up this morning.


excellent, onthefence.

i was going to suggest that in my post, but i wanted to see if anyone would confirm it without the suggestion.

and if i does say "high voltage", then i have even more respect for ps.
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Reply #2103 on Today at 8:52am

it is very common for utility companies to give power poles individual numbers in both urban & rural areas. if we could verify that "d-19" is the designator on the pole we could ask the local utility operator where "d-19" is! worth a shot, anyway...
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Reply #2104 on Today at 9:28am


Today at 8:52am, kenticus wrote:
it is very common for utility companies to give power poles individual numbers in both urban & rural areas. if we could verify that "d-19" is the designator on the pole we could ask the local utility operator where "d-19" is! worth a shot, anyway...



To bad we are only guessing that the sign says D-19. Looking more like the sign says "HIGH". See OnTheFence post on page 141. (Nice work fence!)

Not that I doubt you, but where did you hear about the individual number thing? All the power poles in my neighborhood lack such numbers (I even checked BOTH sides of the poles to be sure. ;D ;D ).


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Reply #2105 on Today at 10:05am

I don't understand the point of trying to zoom in on the power pole. You hope to find a number that will let you figure out the location where the photos were taken? Then you're going down there to interview the neighbors to see if any have a future son-in-law named Raj?

I wonder if there has been any more direct contact with Raj, or whether there will be any updates forthcoming from Detective Gonzales.
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Reply #2106 on Today at 10:32am

The way that the witnesses have come forward, in my opinion, are right on. I mean if had seen the drone or any thing else that was unusual, this is pretty much the way that I would have made it public. I saw this strange looking thing, and decided to take some pictures. It really doesn't need to be more complicated that that.

If it were 500 years ago, and I told everyone that Earth wasn't in the center of the universe, and even had the math to back it up. I would have been ridiculed, just as Raj has been in here, and other places. And he even supplied photos. Imagine how different the world would be now if Galileo had invented photography?

I think though, as these types of sitings become more the norm, there will be a lot less of the great obsession for new information. More and more people will start looking up more with their cameras handy.
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Today at 10:05am, whoopeddog wrote:
I don't understand the point of trying to zoom in on the power pole. You hope to find a number that will let you figure out the location where the photos were taken? Then you're going down there to interview the neighbors to see if any have a future son-in-law named Raj?


i'd like to know exactly where the image was taken because i would like to get more accuracy with this:

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Today at 10:32am, italiclikeitis wrote:
The way that the witnesses have come forward, in my opinion, are right on. I mean if had seen the drone or any thing else that was unusual, this is pretty much the way that I would have made it public. I saw this strange looking thing, and decided to take some pictures. It really doesn't need to be more complicated that that.

If it were 500 years ago, and I told everyone that Earth wasn't in the center of the universe, and even had the math to back it up. I would have been ridiculed, just as Raj has been in here, and other places. And he even supplied photos. Imagine how different the world would be now if Galileo had invented photography?

I think though, as these types of sitings become more the norm, there will be a lot less of the great obsession for new information. More and more people will start looking up more with their cameras handy.


I agree. I am certain that Raj is legit and no more discussion about it is warranted. It may interest you to know that I had found two more witnesses to these drones but neither would come here to answer questions. I took that to mean they were either not willing to subject themselves to cross examination or they were not legit to begin with.

It seems this topic has died off over at ATS. They're back to their usual "I'm coming clean on ETs" topics. So I guess that has caused the drone debunkers to move over here.
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Today at 10:42am, 10538 wrote:

Today at 10:32am, italiclikeitis wrote:
The way that the witnesses have come forward, in my opinion, are right on. I mean if had seen the drone or any thing else that was unusual, this is pretty much the way that I would have made it public. I saw this strange looking thing, and decided to take some pictures. It really doesn't need to be more complicated that that.

If it were 500 years ago, and I told everyone that Earth wasn't in the center of the universe, and even had the math to back it up. I would have been ridiculed, just as Raj has been in here, and other places. And he even supplied photos. Imagine how different the world would be now if Galileo had invented photography?

I think though, as these types of sitings become more the norm, there will be a lot less of the great obsession for new information. More and more people will start looking up more with their cameras handy.


I agree. I am certain that Raj is legit and no more discussion about it is warranted. It may interest you to know that I had found two more witnesses to these drones but neither would come here to answer questions. I took that to mean they were either not willing to subject themselves to cross examination or they were not legit to begin with.

It seems this topic has died off over at ATS. They're back to their usual "I'm coming clean on ETs" topics. So I guess that has caused the drone debunkers to move over here.



Well, there you go. I don't blame them. Of course there are different ways to present something. If they just came forward anonymously, and said something like...

"I saw one of these too, and I photographed it. And want to share them with the world. I really don't care if you think it is a hoax or not. I want to know who else saw it. I want to find out who is behind this. I want to understand the technology. It flys weird."
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Today at 10:42am, 10538 wrote:
I agree. I am certain that Raj is legit and no more discussion about it is warranted. It may interest you to know that I had found two more witnesses to these drones but neither would come here to answer questions. I took that to mean they were either not willing to subject themselves to cross examination or they were not legit to begin with.

How can you be certain Raj is legit? IMO there must be verification not just gonna believe Raj is legit cuz he made a few posts! You personally found 2 more witnesses? From where? Please give us more details. (Nothing that would give away their identities of course.)

Today at 10:42am, 10538 wrote:

It seems this topic has died off over at ATS. They're back to their usual "I'm coming clean on ETs" topics. So I guess that has caused the drone debunkers to move over here.
Many of us "debunkers" are old timers on this forum that simply want more evidence before we believe whole heartedly in this event.
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Reply #2111 on Today at 11:05am

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Take a look at this power pole in the santa cruz/san jose area. All of them seem to have the same yellow tag that says "HIGH VOLTAGE"

Here is the google link for the exact location:
http://www.google.com/maps?q=Capitola,+CA,+USA&ie=UTF8&ll=37.342765,-121.902323&spn=0.032413,0.058365&z=14&om=1&layer =c&cbll=37.326349,-121.906188&cbp=2,347.167245805647,0.0651861196680031,3
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Reply #2112 on Today at 11:06am

Okay, I can buy spf33's explanation of the reason for blowing up the photos of the power poles.

Who here has ridiculed Raj, by the way? I think Raj ought to expect some healthy skepticism. If we've seen the last of him, then I guess this whole thing will be left hanging and interest will slowly die off. Even if it's a hoax, spf33's enlargements and analysis show the detail and the work that went into the images, so if it was hoax, it was quite an investment.

If it's real, it would be great to get some corroborating evidence of some kind. I don't think it's particularly helpful for there to be witnesses who decline to be witnesses. It just adds to the noise.

I was looking at the thread where there was that previous issue of the IP address, and there was an email posted there from Ruben Uriarte, who identified himself as the Northern CA MUFON director, who stated tha the "Chad UFO" sighting was under investigation, and a report was forthcoming at some point. He did state that Steve, presumably the same Steve who earlier jumped the gun by posting that this all was a hoax, was an investigator on the case.

I just wonder if there is a report coming out, and if so where and when.
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Today at 10:32am, italiclikeitis wrote:
The way that the witnesses have come forward, in my opinion, are right on. I mean if had seen the drone or any thing else that was unusual, this is pretty much the way that I would have made it public. I saw this strange looking thing, and decided to take some pictures. It really doesn't need to be more complicated that that.

If it were 500 years ago, and I told everyone that Earth wasn't in the center of the universe, and even had the math to back it up. I would have been ridiculed, just as Raj has been in here, and other places. And he even supplied photos. Imagine how different the world would be now if Galileo had invented photography?

I think though, as these types of sitings become more the norm, there will be a lot less of the great obsession for new information. More and more people will start looking up more with their cameras handy.


I don't think Raj has been ridiculed by anyone. Nobody has called him a UFO freak or nutcase. His story has been doubted by some if not completely dis-believed but that is their right.

People have been looking up with camera in hand for over 50 years nows. There are literally thousands of photos of UFOs, from black and white to color, from day shots to night shots. The problem with photos nowadays is that they are becoming crystal clear, detailed, daytime photos and videos. And with the most common format being digital, photo manipulation is a serious concern. The average photographer and PC user has access to some kind of photoshop program. Compounding this problem is the CGI factor. A perfectly good photo of sky and a telephone pole can have a CGI created object inserted to look as real as you can imagine.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to view any photographic evidence from a skeptical point of view. I refuse to be used and played by hoaxers. Photographic evidence now requires good witnesses and testimony to back it up.

In my opinion, photos submitted to the internet by anonymous sources that look to good to be true, should be viewed with healthy skepticism.

Gullibility and a desire for it to be real can sway a viewer into accepting any photograph they see as real. There lays the trap of digital photography combined with Ufology. A formula perfectly suited for the hoaxer.

I personally need much corroborating evidence with photos these days. But thats just me! ;)
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Today at 11:11am, jeddyhi wrote:
I personally need much corroborating evidence with photos these days. But thats just me! ;)


Oh it aint just you my level headed friend!!! Put me in this camp as well!!
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