I agree. I am
certain that Raj is legit and no more discussion
about it is warranted. It may interest you to
know that I had found two more witnesses to
these drones but neither would come here to
answer questions. I took that to mean they were
either not willing to subject themselves to
cross examination or they were not legit to
begin with.
How
can you be certain Raj is legit? IMO there must
be verification not just gonna believe Raj is
legit cuz he made a few posts! You personally
found 2 more witnesses? From where? Please give
us more details. (Nothing that would give away
their identities of course.)
It seems this
topic has died off over at ATS. They're back to
their usual "I'm coming clean on ETs" topics. So
I guess that has caused the drone debunkers to
move over
here.
Many
of us "debunkers" are old timers on this forum
that simply want more evidence before we believe
whole heartedly in this
event.
Lets
not confuse a skeptic with a debunker. A skeptic looks
at evidence with much scrutiny and remains open to
possibilities. A debunker works to prove that a case is
false and has made up his/her mind already that a case
is bogus. They then do whatever they can to prove they
are correct.
Okay, I can buy
spf33's explanation of the reason for blowing up
the photos of the power poles.
Who here
has ridiculed Raj, by the way? I think Raj ought
to expect some healthy skepticism. If we've seen
the last of him, then I guess this whole thing
will be left hanging and interest will slowly
die off. Even if it's a hoax, spf33's
enlargements and analysis show the detail and
the work that went into the images, so if it was
hoax, it was quite an investment.
If it's
real, it would be great to get some
corroborating evidence of some kind. I don't
think it's particularly helpful for there to be
witnesses who decline to be witnesses. It just
adds to the noise.
I was looking at the
thread where there was that previous issue of
the IP address, and there was an email posted
there from Ruben Uriarte, who identified himself
as the Northern CA MUFON director, who stated
tha the "Chad UFO" sighting was under
investigation, and a report was forthcoming at
some point. He did state that Steve, presumably
the same Steve who earlier jumped the gun by
posting that this all was a hoax, was an
investigator on the case.
I just wonder
if there is a report coming out, and if so where
and
when.
I
guess that my point is that it doesn't matter if it is a
hoax. Someone presented photos of something. That's it
pretty much. It is pretty safe to say that there are
technologies that can explain this as some some piece of
high tech gear that many of us weren't preveiously made
aware of.
Re: UFO -'best yet'? up close and
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Today at 11:28am »
I think it
matters a lot whether or not it was a hoax. If it's a
hoax, we're talking about a stunt, a technical
achievement and something that caused quite a stir. If
it's not a hoax, then we're talking about something else
entirely.
I have found the technical explanations
for how this thing might work to be pretty lame. Because
there exist patents or ideas about new propulsion
systems that maybe might look like these objects, that's
a big stretch to think that these things could be flying
around, much less flying around neighborhoods. You also
have the reverse approach of people looking at the
objects and conjecturing what the arms are or what the
spiky things on the top do, and that seems just as
far-fetched.
I would just like to hear what else
Raj might have to say, if anything, or what Detective
Gonzales might have to say, or what the MUFON
investigation comes up with. I think we're getting down
to twigs and seeds with our nit-picking the photo
details.
But then of course, who am I but just
some dude who just got caught up in this story late in
the game and who is curious to know what the deal is.
I guess that my
point is that it doesn't matter if it is a hoax.
Someone presented photos of something. That's it
pretty much. It is pretty safe to say that there
are technologies that can explain this as some
some piece of high tech gear that many of us
weren't preveiously made aware
of.
Therein
lies my dilemma. How some are so fast to accept that
technology exists for some kind of fantastic
anti-gravity device but disregard the fact that proven
technology does indeed exist for photo manipulation and
CGI hoaxing.
I'm open to the concept that we may
have Anti-gravity devices, but I know for a fact we have
CGI technology that is available to society. That is the
basis for my skepticism!
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Re: UFO -'best yet'? up close and
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Today at 11:35am »
I agree
with the above. These pictures have been analyzed to
death......and nothing more can be proven beyond a
reasonable doubt without more evidence.
Question
for Admin: What did Raj's communication say exactly?
Have you heard back from him since yesterday? Have you
heard back from the Capitola PD again?
Numbers:
Please do tell us about these two new witnesses that
dont wish to come forward? How did you find them? What
general area are they from? whatever you can tell us?
The narrative accompanying the
photographs is as follows...
Hi! (I found a
number of email addresses and was not sure which you
checked most, so I just played it safe and sent to all
of them. I hope this is okay.
My name is Jenna
and I participate in a listserv for photographers in
Saratoga, CA. Today a member named Stephen posted some
pictures he took yesterday (the 5th) for a class
assignment in the area around Big Basin. The pictures
very clearly depict some kind of large object in the
sky, and he was able to get two clear shots and one
out-of-focus shot before it apparently disappeared. I
recognized certain details on this object immediately
because a friend had sent me your About.com article on
different UFOs that have appeared recently with a
similar appearance.
Now, I should mention that
this is a private listserv for a very close-knit group.
I have met almost everyone that participates in person
and I have met Stephen in particular many times, so I
take his word seriously.
We have been discussing
it for the last couple of hours and I suggested we start
by sending pictures to your web site since you clearly
have some familiarity with this situation so far.
Unfortunately I'm not a moderator of this listserv and
can't give you access, but I can send you copies of the
discussion as it develops if you would like to stay
abreast. Let me know.
Stephen has given me
permission to contact you with his photos and
information and you may email him directly if you wish.
We don't have any special need for anonymity on this
matter and if you would like to post this email along
with the photos you may do so. I would be interested in
hearing from the other photographers of this kind of
craft in particular and seeing what this is all about!
The following is his first listserv email which was sent
earlier this afternoon:
'Stephen 06/06/2007
14:42:31 PST
hey guys
okay, where to
begin -- yesterday I was up around big basin for my
assignment like I've been mentioning for the last couple
weeks -- the theme for those that don't remember was
photographing something at a small scale against a large
scale backdrop to contrast scales and to play with depth
of field etc -- I chose to photograph a couple of
flower/weed things growing right on the edge of a drop
off with the valley in the background -- I'm still using
the rebel xt I bought off mark which is slr so I'm
looking at everything through a viewfinder when I notice
something _appear_ in the distance, like just pop out of
nowhere --
I look up and there is this _huge_
who-knows-what-the-xxx _floating_ in the distance and
rotating very slowly and jerkily (is that a word lol) --
almost by reflex I take another shot which is focused in
on it this time and go to stand up but practically fall
over because I cant even think straight --
I was
able to get one more shot which came out kind of blurred
and then the thing _vanished_ -- like, as in, now you
see it now you don't -- I attached the pictures so you
guys can check them out before I really decide to do
something with them -- are these going to the 6 o'clock
news or what -- any feedback would be great before i
make a major decision here -- also btw I attached three
pictures the first is when it _first_ appeared right as
I was taking a shot of the flowers but I wanted you guys
to see everything i saw -- sorry I only got 3 pix but
this thing was seriously gone in like a matter of secs
also btw -- I am planning to return to the area
this weekend with the camera and anyone else who wants
to join me -- I'm seriously going to spend all day
hiking around to see if it shows up again if it does I
am going to get a million shots of this thing if it does
-- you seriously have to see it to even believe it so
_anyone_ who wants to come me let me know -- the more
people that see this the better because I don't even
need to tell you that so far this is a pretty crazy
situation and I want some witnesses to back me
up
I have found the
technical explanations for how this thing might
work to be pretty lame. Because there exist
patents or ideas about new propulsion systems
that maybe might look like these objects, that's
a big stretch to think that these things could
be flying around, much less flying around
neighborhoods. You also have the reverse
approach of people looking at the objects and
conjecturing what the arms are or what the spiky
things on the top do, and that seems just as
far-fetched.
You
must be able to open your mind to the possibilities.
Once you do that these theories become less far fetched.
It helps if you have a basic understanding of
theoretical physics. But even that is not necessary if
you simply consider that all of the mountains of
evidence of ET visitation cannot be denied.
You must be able to
open your mind to the possibilities. Once you do
that these theories become less far fetched. It
helps if you have a basic understanding of
theoretical physics. But even that is not
necessary if you simply consider that all of the
mountains of evidence of ET visitation cannot be
denied.
I
dont think anyone is denying the possibility of ET
visitation........just not sure that is the case with
this instance!
I have found the
technical explanations for how this thing might
work to be pretty lame. Because there exist
patents or ideas about new propulsion systems
that maybe might look like these objects, that's
a big stretch to think that these things could
be flying around, much less flying around
neighborhoods. You also have the reverse
approach of people looking at the objects and
conjecturing what the arms are or what the spiky
things on the top do, and that seems just as
far-fetched.
You
must be able to open your mind to the
possibilities. Once you do that these theories
become less far fetched. It helps if you have a
basic understanding of theoretical physics. But
even that is not necessary if you simply
consider that all of the mountains of evidence
of ET visitation cannot be
denied.
Your
point is well taken, especially in light of the new
photos. I certainly do believe that "something is out
there," but it's hard to sort out the signal from the
noise. It will be interesting to see what develops now.
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Re: UFO -'best yet'? up close and
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Today at 11:58am »
Okay this
to me is a flaming indication that something fishy is
going on. Notice how every set of pictures has new
gadgets....as if someone is adding to their creation as
time goes on. Of course that is just my opinion
(necessary disclaimer to avoid my impending banning) and
i guess time will tell if these witnesses are indeed not
going to remain anonymous!
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