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Reply #2235 on Today at 5:04am


Today at 5:02am, MOON-MAN wrote:
Mission managers have given up hope of fixing a broken wheel on NASA's Spirit rover and will simply have to drag the wheel on future drives. The glitch means NASA must avoid terrain with loose soil as it maps out a route to a safe winter haven for the rover.
- http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn8944

people in glass houses....

if your drone breaks what are you gonna do


Luckily alien drones on earth aren't hampered by wheels. Just clumsy hanging antennae.
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Reply #2236 on Today at 5:27am

The way this whole scenario unfolds does have some characteristics of a viral marketing campaign.

Personally, I'm not convinced it is, as the only attention it gets at present is on one UFO related discussion forum, and on some UFO related web sites. All 'reports' of sightings have been sent to UFO related web sites, as well...

That's a very limited target audience, and I doubt it would justify the costs of the campaign to direct it at such a limited target audience...

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Reply #2237 on Today at 5:58am


Today at 2:13am, ivo5000 wrote:
Let's talk about the possibility of this being a viral marketing campaign for the upcoming and soon to be released Transformers movie.

Marketing campaigns are designed to promote and create awareness for a product or service. They are targeted toward the perceived recipients of that product or service. A classic example would be beer promotions before and during football games.

The Transformers movie is being targeted for the male youth market which means boys under the age of 16. A marketing campaign for this age and sex group would be tied in with toys, video games and skateboarding. They would be focused at venues where the target audience would see them, such as malls, fast food restaurants (e.g. - McDonald's) and commercials on TV shows they would watch.

What we have here are UFO's seen over sparsely populated areas and being reported to UFO-based websites where the demographic happens to be male over the age of 40. No malls, no movies, no McDonald's, no skateboards, no video games. If this is a viral marketing campaign then it is the most poorly designed one in the history of marketing. The roll out of the Edsel by Ford was handled better!

This does not of course rule out the possibility of a hoax, but can we finally put to rest the concept that this might be a viral marketing campaign for the Transformers movie?


Nobody has said this is a traditional marketing campaign for malls, movies, McDonalds etc. Transformers already has the media tie-ins covered.

But you dismiss the potential viral angle too easily. There have been plenty of successful low profile viral marketing campaigns that have had only a tangential connection to the product being marketed.

Some examples of less obvious viral marketing that come to mind...

I Love Bees - a very obscure promotion for Halo 2 run over the period of months by Microsoft. The actual tie in with the game was very limited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Bees

Bride has massive hair wig out - a viral video that was promoted on YouTube for a month before it was revealed as a promo for Sunsilk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_Has_Massive_Hair_Wig_Out

Coq Roq - 'rooster metal' group on Myspace - actually a marketing effort for Burger King. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coq_Roq

Lonely Girl 15 - three month video series that was actually just a promo for some people seeking work in Hollywood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonely_Girl_15

We have yet to see how this series of photographs evolves and if it gets coverage in the mass media. Indeed, a groundswell of online might be just the thing they need to get some media coverage.
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Reply #2238 on Today at 6:37am

The problems:

1. The 'researchers' are experiencing crosstalk. This is evident particularly as regards the Mufon involvement. 'Steve' (or whoever the FI on this case is/was) probably became confused because he trusted the reporting coming from other sources, some of which makes ridiculous (and poorly-founded) claims. A good example is the rumor that saladFingers' demo video was actually directly related to the case. Another example: Is Chad's report from April 2007 (as stated on a number of sites) or May 6th? there's a bunch of conflicting and confused reporting going on, and it's directly affecting the investigations.

2. The researchers do not appear to be cooperating as much as competing. For this to get anywhere, this is going to have to change. Mufon is difficult to get info from (I know because I've tried), and the question of the order of addition of images to the Mufon 7013 report is very significant. It is also confusing, both to us and others.

Notes:

1. If the recent images aren't faked, you can kiss all the theories about PG&E drones, secret projects of the government, crazed inventors, etc - Good Bye. None of them make any sense in light of this image. That thing doesn't make sense, period. That said, there's a high likelihood they will turn out to be concocted. Statistics, however, are at best an incomplete guide to reality and at worst a catastrophically myopic threat to comprehension.

2. Evolution: This is the most obvious link across the images, but it has been radically and floridly accelerated in the BB images.

3. Witnesses: Do we really need to hear 'the evidence quote' for the 63rd time? The witnesses don't owe anyone anything. They don't have to talk to anyone, make themselves available to anyone, in any way, for any reason. Raj has been in relatively close contact with the OM staff. Given what's been going on here, I'd call that cooperation.

4. 'It's broken'. That's not a bug, it's a feature? (Looks intentionally disconnected to me, when examined at high mag as if all those arms are in similar status).

5. Viral: This was one of my first reactions. I'm still unconvinced it isn't. I thoroughly doubt it is related to Transformers. The evidence that it could be is too sketchy for me and seems too much of a reach.

Consider that these phenomenon are actually changing what 'sky' means to many of us, because prior to very recently 'sky' was not something that could or would be likely to contain an object such as this. But it is now, for us. That's a very significant alteration of our reality, because the concept 'sky' is actually embedded, sublty or overtly, in many other concepts and metaphors. So far, this thing is viral either way. It's changing -us- and -acquiring our effort and attention- for the benefit of its propagation. This is a fact. I will make use of this in a later posting ...

6. We're being tested. Whether this is intentional or coincidental, to my eye, doesn't matter. What matters is how adeptly and efficiently we can deal with the challenges, together, with and for each other.

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For any who are interested here's my timeLine blog regarding this incident:

http://organelle7.blogspot.com/2007/06/california-under-drone-week-5-timeline.html

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Reply #2239 on Today at 6:58am

I'm wondering why in the time line sequences of the photographs the Alabama object is left out. It predates the others and is 'unadorned' for lack of a better word. It seems if it is going to be shown how the object has evolved, it needs to start with the Alabama one. What am I missing here?
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Today at 6:58am, parralex wrote:
I'm wondering why in the time line sequences of the photographs the Alabama object is left out. It predates the others and is 'unadorned' for lack of a better word. It seems if it is going to be shown how the object has evolved, it needs to start with the Alabama one. What am I missing here?


Think I read a post that said this thread was focusing on the California 2007 sightings.

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Reply #2241 on Today at 7:46am

Thank you Calikid. I need to pay closer attention.
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Today at 2:13am, ivo5000 wrote:
Let's talk about the possibility of this being a viral marketing campaign for the upcoming and soon to be released Transformers movie.

The Transformers movie is being targeted for the male youth market which means boys under the age of 16. A marketing campaign for this age and sex group would be tied in with toys, video games and skateboarding. They would be focused at venues where the target audience would see them, such as malls, fast food restaurants (e.g. - McDonald's) and commercials on TV shows they would watch.
Not exactly, how many 16 year old have actually heared about transformers? Its a comic from the eighties, (i was just a bit too old for it back then) so my guess is, the boys from then will be the audience now, reliving a childhood thing, guys in their twenties :)
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Reply #2243 on Today at 9:42am

never watched transformers and this is unlikley to influence anyone if it is viral. IS it real unsure, is it a unrelated hoax or perhaps a military leak designed to stir up the UFO research community to test reactions even if it is a fake

TIme will tell will be interesting to see where this goes
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Reply #2244 on Today at 9:57am

quote magooollo:"this is unlikley to influence anyone if it is viral."
I wouldnt be to sure bout that.I think a lot of ufofreaks registered somewhere

ps:it very suspicious(at least 4 me) that those who could benefit from it are the ones who revealed it on the net
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Reply #2245 on Today at 11:47am


Today at 6:37am, organelle wrote:
The problems:

1. The 'researchers' are experiencing crosstalk. This is evident particularly as regards the Mufon involvement. 'Steve' (or whoever the FI on this case is/was) probably became confused because he trusted the reporting coming from other sources, some of which makes ridiculous (and poorly-founded) claims. A good example is the rumor that saladFingers' demo video was actually directly related to the case. Another example: Is Chad's report from April 2007 (as stated on a number of sites) or May 6th? there's a bunch of conflicting and confused reporting going on, and it's directly affecting the investigations.

2. The researchers do not appear to be cooperating as much as competing. For this to get anywhere, this is going to have to change. Mufon is difficult to get info from (I know because I've tried), and the question of the order of addition of images to the Mufon 7013 report is very significant. It is also confusing, both to us and others.

Notes:

1. If the recent images aren't faked, you can kiss all the theories about PG&E drones, secret projects of the government, crazed inventors, etc - Good Bye. None of them make any sense in light of this image. That thing doesn't make sense, period. That said, there's a high likelihood they will turn out to be concocted. Statistics, however, are at best an incomplete guide to reality and at worst a catastrophically myopic threat to comprehension.

2. Evolution: This is the most obvious link across the images, but it has been radically and floridly accelerated in the BB images.

3. Witnesses: Do we really need to hear 'the evidence quote' for the 63rd time? The witnesses don't owe anyone anything. They don't have to talk to anyone, make themselves available to anyone, in any way, for any reason. Raj has been in relatively close contact with the OM staff. Given what's been going on here, I'd call that cooperation.

4. 'It's broken'. That's not a bug, it's a feature? (Looks intentionally disconnected to me, when examined at high mag as if all those arms are in similar status).

5. Viral: This was one of my first reactions. I'm still unconvinced it isn't. I thoroughly doubt it is related to Transformers. The evidence that it could be is too sketchy for me and seems too much of a reach.

Consider that these phenomenon are actually changing what 'sky' means to many of us, because prior to very recently 'sky' was not something that could or would be likely to contain an object such as this. But it is now, for us. That's a very significant alteration of our reality, because the concept 'sky' is actually embedded, sublty or overtly, in many other concepts and metaphors. So far, this thing is viral either way. It's changing -us- and -acquiring our effort and attention- for the benefit of its propagation. This is a fact. I will make use of this in a later posting ...

6. We're being tested. Whether this is intentional or coincidental, to my eye, doesn't matter. What matters is how adeptly and efficiently we can deal with the challenges, together, with and for each other.

P.S:

For any who are interested here's my timeLine blog regarding this incident:

http://organelle7.blogspot.com/2007/06/california-under-drone-week-5-timeline.html

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I don't think the witnesses "owe" anyone anything. On the other hand, if a witness does more than just make an anonymous report and then stay out of reach, that will be a significant shift in the story thus far and will lend credibility to their claims.

For a witness to stay involved does certainly expose them to a lot of scrutiny and who knows where that will lead.

One of the subjects of interest for me has been whether there are ways to look at the examples of writings of our witnesses so far, to see whether there are patterns of how they express themselves to suggest whether the same writer is posing as different people. If it's a hoax, you would think that might be happening. If I get time, I'll look into that some.

I also think the statement of the Sequoia witness and the Alabama report should be interpreted as related, although if you cast too wide a net, you risk muddying the waters too much.

At a minimum, it will be interesting to see where the next shoe drops.
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Reply #2246 on Today at 12:06pm

Greetings,

I have collected some of my more speculative imaginings regarding this phenomenon here...

http://organelle7.blogspot.com/2007/06/calidrone-science-fiction-of-it-all.html

I would welcome anyone who has similar 'little stories' about uncommon or interesting explanations to email them to me.

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Reply #2247 on Today at 1:36pm

The perps have got to be loving this!

Note to perps: If you keep this up, at some point you are just being mean.
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Reply #2248 on Today at 1:43pm

I've been watching this forum and reading other forums, looking seriously at this. I spent this morning looking through thousands of images through google images with key word combinations of drone, drones, UFO drone etc. What stood out to me after hours of glazing at images is how unique these drone images are that we are getting, against all imagery created by game manufacturers, the military, artists, sci fi, this configuration is truly unique!

And lets not forget that there is another picture out there from 1990 of this same type of vehicle that was supposedly taken in Italy and has been archived on the web for years now.

So all in all, there is one very old picture of this type of object and this design is so unique, I'm leaning on the fence of this not being a hoax and await anxiously for more material to turn up.
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