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Reply #2325 on Today at 10:23am


Today at 10:17am, whoopeddog wrote:
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Point well taken about all avenues being up for exploration. My point is just that there is a common thread through these sightings of a certain unavailability of those who post these stories. It leads me to think that these images are well-produced computer graphics, and they exist on somebody's hard drive somewhere, and nowhere else.

It's just a working assumption or hypothesis, but no new information so far has tended to contradict it. We have Whitley Strieber saying that Chad has spoken with LMH, but we don't know that Chad isn't Raj or Stephen or even Alabama guy for that matter.

Of course, Stephen has promised a hike to the site at Big Basin, so I can wait on that.



Well put. There is nothing about being Open Minded that precludes the use of logic, common sense, proven investigative techniques, and so forth. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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Reply #2326 on Today at 10:37am

My interest has reached fever pitch here. I can not think of any rational reason why these may all be a hoax, add to that a similar craft is seen in a photo from Italy in 99... all of this could be a hoax but I seriously doubt it.

Because my interest is so strong now, I watched the movie Out of The Blue last night again on UTube. Guess what?

There is a part in the movie that goes over the event that happened in Russia or Germany, not sure which right now, because I was so amazed.. They were showing a saucer shaped UFO that crashed into a mound and half of it was sticking out of the ground. The LETTERS ARE THE SAME as on those droids. Check it out.

I'm think we have to use empathy and hard thinking here about what is probably going on with these people who have submitted these photos. If Raj is getting middle of the night phone calls, then he is being spooked to keep quiet. I think a number of governments have probably taken note of this and are trying to contain or control this situation. They have before and I can't imagine why they wouldn't be intensely in this situation.

This is a huge life changing event for who ever shots a picture of this vehicle and submits it. It was not what they initially sought when they came forward I'm sure. They have probably gotten a lot more than they bargained for by just sharing and being curious. That's my two cents anyway. Look at the photos from that crashed saucer event in OUT OF THE BLUE. Same lettering.
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Reply #2327 on Today at 10:39am


Today at 7:43am, whoopeddog wrote:

Yesterday at 10:02pm, organelle wrote:
Personally, I think LMH is a hero. She doesn't claim to know exactly what's going on, but she does a lot of work to organize reports and interview those who claim to be witnesses. I really respect her a great deal, but I don't hold her to standards that she's unlikely to fulfill. I also don't hold her to standards I can't fulfill. Her work has had a profound impact on my perspectives, and has long been a source of fascinating and speculative anomalism.

But personal feelings aside, I think it's important that she publishes material so broadly. Without her, evidence would probably be missing. If she took time to 'verify' (practically impossible in many cases) each witness (by what standards?) before posting, let's face it, she'd post maybe once a year, possibly not at all. I'd rather see the whole mishmash of likely and unlikely evidence all together, in one spot, than to have access only to those elements which had been 'studiously verified'. I think most of us actually share this perspective, no? I mean, sure, there's a spectrum of relatedness, and there's a continuum of chaos beyond which additions to the pool become relatively meaningless. Would any of us want to wait 3 months for her to verify the Yosemite report before hearing about it?

BTW: I have been around long enough to remember the Dr. Reed fiasco. :)


Your comments are well-taken. I guess there is one sense in which it is good to get unfiltered information hot off the press. But I know that it is a standard in journalism to verify sources, and I don't know that it should take 3 months to do it. Otherwise, it makes you very vulnerable to the kind of hoax many of us suspect is going on here.

Another issue here is that in my opinion all information is not the same. Some is closer to the truth than others. Some information is wrong, some information is purposefully misleading. If nobody tries to sort that out, how can we ever get to the truth?

If LMH protects her sources as proprietary information, then it seems that she would have some responsibility to verify what they are saying, at least at the level that they are who they say they are.

So, she's talked to Chad. It would be good to hear more about what Chad has to say. Similarly, Raj has promised to come back and answer more questions. Similarly, Stephen has promised to lead an expedition to Big Basin. I'll be less skeptical when any of those things happen.

I think if LMH puts unfiltered claims out there, she needs to attach a disclaimer of some kind, because it is really not journalism on any level.

I do find it exceedingly frustrating that there seems to be such a low expectation that any of these people show that they exist in the real world and that their photos were really taken when and how they say they were.

If the reporters continue to be just out of reach, I think that tells you more and more as time goes on.

P.S. Is MUFON still investigating this? I wonder how they will post their report? On their website?

P.P.S. I wonder if there has been any more contact between admin and Mark Gonzales of Capitola PD, especially in light of the new photos, which if real, should start to be become a true Homeland Security issue. It seems like that thing could do more damage than a pair of nail clippers on an airplane.


LMH forces us to guess what level of verification (if indeed there is any at all) she has used in her stories. She seems to be saying, Trust me, I'm a journalist. Baloney! If she is going to post whatever hits her inbox concerning a given story, then she owes it to her readers to post all of it, not just the stuff that seems to support a juicy story. Later, when the more absurd episodes unravel, she has the duty to report that too. As I have pointed out here earlier, the meltdown of the "Dr. Reed" hokum was at least as newsworthy as the original claim. You can not have it both ways and still keep your credibility.
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Reply #2328 on Today at 10:40am


Today at 10:17am, whoopeddog wrote:
My point is just that there is a common thread through these sightings of a certain unavailability of those who post these stories. It leads me to think that these images are well-produced computer graphics, and they exist on somebody's hard drive somewhere, and nowhere else.

Yes that is one common thread, of probably many others.

It does seem fishy when you think that this forum is our only world.

To be fair to the witnesses...
Take any random person (many of whom have no association with UFO culture), they have a camera at hand and witness this thing. They go to the most popular UFO site (C2Cam,LMH,etc) to report. These places/reporters are constantly barraged with reports and need to make a paycheck which explains why they are not bowing down to us here and providing contact information -- why would they give up a revenue stream to satisfy us?

Now, this random person (any of the witnesses) says -- why should I bend over backwards convincing a bunch of UFO nuts that I'm for real? Why should I log onto some forum deep in the heart of the internet and read 150 pages of chatter to be insulted and asked questions that I've already answered, why is that my responsibility -- I have a life!

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Maybe that's extreme, but I'm really trying to put myself in their shoes. And by random person, I'm thinking of anyone that I know outside this forum (including family/friends/workmates/etc) -- I cannot imagine one of those people feeling comfortable with any disclosure of their personal experience.
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Reply #2329 on Today at 10:58am


Today at 10:37am, tomi01uk wrote:
They were showing a saucer shaped UFO that crashed into a mound and half of it was sticking out of the ground. The LETTERS ARE THE SAME as on those droids. Check it out.


is it this russian crash you are talking about?

i just skimmed thru this google video version of out of the blue.

what's the time code for the crash you are talking about show on screen?
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Reply #2330 on Today at 11:04am

Yes that looks like the part of the video I was talking about. In the video the craft is much clearer and you can get a good idea of all the letters on it in several shots.
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Reply #2331 on Today at 11:06am

I'm dont have the time stamp. It's past the middle of the documentary. Use the one on UTube there is a lot of clarity in that one, not sure about the one posted on Google video.
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Reply #2332 on Today at 11:19am

Raj has been in touch again.

I need to find out if he is OK about us reproducing his email here - or editing out bits which he may regard as being too personal. Chris is going to be talking with him. Please be patient. Let's try and sit this one through without any need for the witnesses to have reason to not co-operate with us.

Raj is Spooked. Seriously spooked. The whole experience and the' repercussions appear to have begun to sink in. He is still getting night callers' too. About that, we can only speculate. The result is that it is scaring Raj enough to warrant an investigation from his telephone company. There have been 'traces' but it seems the caller has been able to hide his location. Ongoing.

He had contacted the Sentinel (the newspaper) but has had no reply. I ( and I think at least one other here ) can confirm that the Sentinel have ignored our requests to. Again, make of that what you will.

No mention of contact from Capitola PD. So I assume that they haven't. I haven't heard from Detective Gonzales - I said I'd allow a week and I will. I'll contact him tomorrow.

Like I said - Chris will be talking to him further - so we may indeed be able to post up his communications with us. But the above is the general meat of what was said. Oh, and he think his fiance and fiance's brother are going to be writing to me and Chris direct regarding their own witness statements.

And that's about it. 8-)

I am certainly giving Raj the benefit of the doubt right now - the importance of what he says he has and is experiencing is potentially phenomenal. I choose my words carefully (usually!) - but right now even more so: Because if this is a hoax, then that person could easily come out with it 'hands up' - the reaction would be mixed. No doubt some would be angry and some would be saying 'thanks for the ride' - we explored and 'tested' some important analytical tools which will undoubtedly be used in the future. No biggie.

But to pretend that your own well-being and that of some members of your family too? -- is just plain sick - so the only loser would always be hoaxer - not a problem for me.

So because of the 'distress' Raj is saying he is experiencing, I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt. my advice for him now is tell the police about it.
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Reply #2333 on Today at 11:36am


Today at 11:06am, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm dont have the time stamp. It's past the middle of the documentary. Use the one on UTube there is a lot of clarity in that one, not sure about the one posted on Google video.


well, here are a bunch of higher res stills, i don't see any symbols that look like the cali objects tho;

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Reply #2334 on Today at 11:38am

In fact those "symbols" look like bun marks from entering into the atmosphere.
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Reply #2335 on Today at 11:40am

In the movie the footage gives you the advantage of seeing this (or one similiar) object in such resolution and light that you can identify the characters of the lettering. I looked hard and saw what I think is the same kind of lettering. Esp noted by me were the little "cross" characters between the larger set of characters as we see in the drones.
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Reply #2336 on Today at 11:41am

Please hyperlink the version you are talking about, with a time stamp. This may be a case of seeing what you want to see. :)

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Reply #2337 on Today at 11:44am

Sorry, doing something else right now. It's important enough tho that I think someone should go to uTube, watch OUT OF THE BLUE and get to that part of the movie and then if they are more specialised than I am, take some good res images out of it. I wouldn't know what else to do except a screen shot to get a suitable image out of it. It's a long movie I know, and I'm sorry at the time I didn't have the presence of mind to note the time. I was thinking too much about the similiarities and wondering if I should mention it to the group here.
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Reply #2338 on Today at 12:05pm


Today at 11:19am, admin wrote:

Raj is Spooked. Seriously spooked. The whole experience and the' repercussions appear to have begun to sink in.


appreciate the update, admin.

raj, if you're reading this; stand tall, you had the presence of mind and courage to photograph what you saw and present it to the world.

i believe remaining anonymous and keeping in the shadows is more of a danger to you and yours then stepping out into the safety of the light.

recent human history as it relates to this phenomenon is blanketed in a cloak deception and vagueness.

how blessed you (or any of the witnesses) are to have the potential to turn it all around and help change the course of human history.




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Reply #2339 on Today at 12:24pm


Today at 11:36am, spf33 wrote:

Today at 11:06am, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm dont have the time stamp. It's past the middle of the documentary. Use the one on UTube there is a lot of clarity in that one, not sure about the one posted on Google video.


well, here are a bunch of higher res stills, i don't see any symbols that look like the cali objects tho;





Man, those are some good stills. Is it just me, or has the, er, (re-)entry heat burned off all but a barely legible remnant of:

NCC-1401-B

?? You know how those Federation ships can't seem to stay in their own timeline. Also, there seems to be some magnetic attraction to late 20th century Earth, which may have been affecting ships long before Kirk. I dunno, it's just a theory.
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