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Reply #1260 on Yesterday at 11:01pm


Yesterday at 10:42pm, davriver209 wrote:
Raj, I will take your stuff into consideration under one condition, get a video camera, have someone film you and show us Exactly where you saw it. Dont have to give out any personal info, just show us where on a video camera. and film the original pics on your camera.
This will not prove anything to the skeptics. If he hoaxed it then he will have known the location of the pole and it's easy to upload images to a camera!

Think of another idea.
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Reply #1261 on Yesterday at 11:01pm


Yesterday at 10:48pm, 10538 wrote:

Yesterday at 10:42pm, davriver209 wrote:
Raj, I will take your stuff into consideration under one condition, get a video camera, have someone film you and show us Exactly where you saw it. Dont have to give out any personal info, just show us where on a video camera. and film the original pics on your camera.


First, you tell us why he should have to bend over backwards for you.


if it's an important revelation no amount of bending is excessive. if it's a hoax any bending is tedious. don't ya think? this isn't the re-invention of the pogobal, now is it? demanding provenance is not just a right but a duty.
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Reply #1262 on Yesterday at 11:07pm

LOL at all the questions on propulsion methods, esoteric languages. Only one question can verify this story, and we have yet to get an answer. Which newspaper did Raj report the craft to? How did he make this report and can it be verified?

To quote Raj's original post on Flickr on May 16th...

"We sent a copy of the photos to their newspaper but haven't heard back yet. I dunno how long that kind of thing takes."
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Reply #1263 on Yesterday at 11:11pm

I agree totally. In order to verify this we need to know what paper he sent it to and what info was sent. Also how it was sent. Did Raj send along contact info so the paper could contact them (sounds like it)

Raj next time your here hang out for a few, maybe join us in the chat room??
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Reply #1264 on Yesterday at 11:11pm


Yesterday at 11:07pm, regence wrote:
LOL at all the questions on propulsion methods, esoteric languages.

Only one question can verify this story. Which newspaper did Raj report the craft to?

To quote his original post on Flickr on May 16th...

"We sent a copy of the photos to their newspaper but haven't heard back yet. I dunno how long that kind of thing takes."


Excellent point- also raised by theShadow. The answer to this question goes to the heart of proof. A non-answer indicates a cynical hoax. I expect no answer.

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Reply #1265 on Yesterday at 11:11pm


Yesterday at 11:07pm, regence wrote:
LOL at all the questions on propulsion methods, esoteric languages. Only one question can verify this story, and we have yet to get an answer. Which newspaper did Raj report the craft to? How did he make this report and can it be verified?

To quote Raj's original post on Flickr on May 16th...

"We sent a copy of the photos to their newspaper but haven't heard back yet. I dunno how long that kind of thing takes."


I would say that is a fair statement.

The only thing I could think of here is an issue with one's privacy. Don't fool yourselves by thinking that everyone out there would want to be known world-wide for an event such as this. Someone here, such as a mod, may need to represent Raj in this case.
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Reply #1266 on Yesterday at 11:14pm

If it means we keep the place 'clean' whilst Raj tells his story - then I for one am happy to boot any people who may jeopardise that.

I have told the other co-admins of my intention.

We did it to keep 'serpo' alive to it's conclusion ( for now! lol! ) - and we'll do it again if necessary - this is potentially too big a story to let a few cheap-witted clowns spoil it for everyone else.

Anyone who wants to 'hound' or keep repeating questions over and over (whether they are answered to their satisfaction or not) will find themselves welcome at various other places on the internet.

But not here.
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Reply #1267 on Yesterday at 11:15pm


Yesterday at 9:57pm, kana wrote:
Found what I was looking for in my notes.

Someone posted that they thought the proto-sinaitic script was a positive match. Here is the wikipedia article on this script:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic

I am not sure if it is a match or not, would have to compare for myself.

--Kana


Some similiarities, but not enough in my opinion. I've scoured enough for one day to not think it's any ancient form of heirogliphics, alphabet, or numberology....the latter being the most obvious to search out.
One more detail I'd like to address: In the side-by-side comparisons on the bottom of page 80, has anyone else noticed another subtle difference of the two, besides the written details and what I perceived as a mild variance in size? There are 5 circular protusions on one of the 'wings', and four on the other.
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Reply #1268 on Yesterday at 11:24pm


Yesterday at 10:55pm, admin wrote:

Yesterday at 10:33pm, spf33 wrote:
Thank you Rajman1977!

Please make sure to get all the 1600x1200 images to someone.

and yes, we want the 10k images of you and the family eating on the back deck, could be something in the background skies that you photographed unintentionally!



Raj has agreed to send them on to me - so I should have them ready here for people to dl , not long after we get them - I won't keep anyone waiting!



If you don't mind me asking. Are you in contact with Raj offline? Just cause we're not seeing that his username is online, should we assume that those photos won't be up until tomorrow? Or are you in contact with him between his replies
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Reply #1269 on Yesterday at 11:24pm

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Yesterday at 10:22pm, rajman1977 wrote:
WOW, what a turnout. Maybe I should have thought twice before agreeing to answer questions! :) I probably won't be able to get to all of them, but I will do my best:

1) The object did rotate as it moved, but it was almost like the rotation and the movement were unrelated (if that makes sense). So imagine it moving in a straight line, but rotating very gently in such a way that the "arms" don't ever really match up with its direction. Also, the speed of the rotating would change every time it stopped or changed direction. So if it was moving in one direction with a very slow spin, it might then stop to turn in another direction, and the spinning would accelerate. I'm trying to think of an example of this kind of motion but none come to mind. The rotation was never very fast though, even when the craft flew away at the end.

2) It did not appear to interact with the power lines. It flew over them, and stopped for a brief period, but it didn't touch them or anything like that. I guess we'll find out if my fiance's parents get a big spike in their PG&E bill this month. :)

3) I didn't hear it make a lot of noise aside from some very faint pops and snapping sounds. Definitely no "engine noises". But I could "feel" something that was like when a car next to you at a red light is blasting the bass. It was like a vibrating I could feel in my chest. Nothing unpleasant or painful though.

4) Many have asked about the original camera photos. I uploaded them to Flickr but it won't let anyone download them! Since so many people have requested them, I am wondering if someone has a place where I can upload them so anyone can download them? It would be a pain to individually send them as email attachments to a million people. If you have any ideas please let me know.

5) I have no idea what it was, but everywhere I have read about it now, I hear people call it a "drone". My fiance's dad is an engineer and he suggested something similar. At first glance, before I even had a chance to process what I was seeing, I thought it was a remote control toy or something. I definitely wouldn't mind playing with a toy like that. :)

6) I had never thought much about aliens and UFOs before this event. I always figured there must be life out there somewhere but I have never been convinced that they are coming here. However, after this, who knows? I reserve judgement until I know more about what this is. This is already weird enough as it is!

7) I can't even guess why it was hanging around Capitola, or what it was after. However, my fiance's parents mentioned that in the 60's or 70's, a bunch of birds went crazy in Capitola and were attacking people and flying into walls. They say that's where Alfred Hitchcock got his idea for "The Birds". Of course I don't think it's related, but it proves that weird things happen in the area every now and then. :)

8) I have not heard from the "Men in Black" yet, nor has anyone else in my family.

9) The 6 photos I posted are the only ones that have the object in them. We had been taking photos all evening and my fiance's parents are KNOWN for never clearing their memory cards and then running out of room at the worst time. This has already happened on two separate vacations in the couple years I have known them. :) So when I reached for the camera, I was thinking to myself "Here is some crazy thing in the sky, and I bet that I won't even be able to take a picture beacuse they haven't downloaded their photos to the computer!!!" Luckily it turns out that I still had room for about 12 more shots, but I tried to make each shot count. It was nerve wracking enough chasing this thing around, but it's even worse when you are worried that your future in-laws have already filled up the camera! I could have taken a few more than I did, but I didn't expect it to fly away so abruptly. Also, I took a few more like the last photo, where it is off in the distance, but in the last two shots it is already gone.

10) I have been asked by a few people why I did not take video. Of course, I didn't have a lot of time to think about what was happening. They have an old Minolta (they got it like 7 years ago) and I'd never even used it before that evening. I never checked to see if it could do video but even if it does, I didn't know how to do it at the time. I do video with my digital camera (a Cannon) all the time, but I didn't have that with me. Plus knowing them, there was probably only room for half a second of video. :) And remember, this whole experience was over in a matter of minutes. I think some people overestimate how clearly I was thinking!

11) As I said in my original Flickr page, the only people that I KNOW saw it are me, my fiance, her parents, and the people who stopped in the car. I assume many other people must have seen it, but I don't know of anyone in particular beyond us.

12) They still have the memory card. I downloaded the photos and have a copy of them, and knowing them, they STILL probably have not erased the card. So if you guys want 10,000 pictures of us eating dinner on the back deck, you are in luck!

13) I posted the pictures originally to Flickr beacuse I didn't know of any other way to get them online for public viewing and I have a lot of work friends that use it all the time for their own photos. As for Craigslist, it was the first idea that came to me when I tried to think of ways to ask a lot of people in the Capitola area if they saw this thing. One funny thing was that we had been talking so much about UFO movies since it happened, and when I went to post the question, for a second I misread "casual encounters" as "close encounters". That was definitely NOT where it was supposed to go. :) Before the last week or so, I had never visited any UFO sites so I didn't know of any. I definitely would have started here though if I did.

Raj


Raj,
Thank you for taking the time to answer some of our questions. After digesting what you have written, I'm sure we will have some follow up questions.

Thanks again, :) :) :)
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Reply #1270 on Yesterday at 11:25pm


Yesterday at 10:55pm, admin wrote:

Yesterday at 10:33pm, spf33 wrote:
Thank you Rajman1977!

Please make sure to get all the 1600x1200 images to someone.

and yes, we want the 10k images of you and the family eating on the back deck, could be something in the background skies that you photographed unintentionally!



Raj has agreed to send them on to me - so I should have them ready here for people to dl , not long after we get them - I won't keep anyone waiting!

Just make sure not to reprocess them! Zip file preferred!

Or admin you could send it my way and I'll host them on the div share account. (P.S. I am amazed that my account has moved several gig's of images :o )
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Reply #1271 on Yesterday at 11:27pm


Yesterday at 11:24pm, Maro Farez wrote:

Yesterday at 10:55pm, admin wrote:


Raj has agreed to send them on to me - so I should have them ready here for people to dl , not long after we get them - I won't keep anyone waiting!



If you don't mind me asking. Are you in contact with Raj offline? Just cause we're not seeing that his username is online, should we assume that those photos won't be up until tomorrow? Or are you in contact with him between his replies


Yes, we are in contact with Raj off board - and yes you will see them as soon as Raj sends them.

If he's busy with other things, then we shall just wait until he is ready.
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Reply #1272 on Yesterday at 11:29pm


Yesterday at 11:25pm, fore wrote:

Yesterday at 10:55pm, admin wrote:


Raj has agreed to send them on to me - so I should have them ready here for people to dl , not long after we get them - I won't keep anyone waiting!

Just make sure not to reprocess them! Zip file preferred!

Or admin you could send it my way and I'll host them on the div share account. (P.S. I am amazed that my account has moved several gig's of images :o )


Thanks, Fore - we already have many gigs of space set up and ready to receive!

Nice offer, much appreciated. 8-)
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Reply #1273 on Yesterday at 11:34pm

Going by Raj's account of the movement of the object leads me to speculate that this thing was being remotely controlled. The movements sound way too random to be automated. But then again, I'm thinking about our automation which may not be comparable.
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Reply #1274 on Yesterday at 11:38pm


Yesterday at 7:19pm, MOON-MAN wrote:
here is a side by side comparison of the object's markings to the similar object's markings.


Thank you for that comparison. It brought me to do some more checking:

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I think this indicates that this image is not a "pure" CG, unless the hoaxster applied an offset between the hub and fin. You can apply a 3D rotation in your head to see that the nub should be even lower in the picture if the camera was perfectly below the object. It doesn't look "too" perfect, does it?

Next; Is the fin spinning on the hub?
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From two of the Raj images, I think that the fin is not fixed but rather spinning on the hub. If you take into account the angle that the shot was taken at and do a visual 3D rotation in your head to account for the angles, I think you will see that the nubs are not in the same place on each photo, which indicates to me that the fin moves independently of the hub.
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