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« Reply #1305 on Today at 4:41am »

from chad's c2c description;

"It moves almost like an insect. If you have ever seen a bug on a pond, it is kind of like that. It is VERY smooth and slow most of the time, but then every now and then it will rotate very quickly and go VERY fast into another direction, then stop, and repeat the process all over again. There is just something very unnatural about the way it moves."

i wonder if these things are broken?
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« Reply #1306 on Today at 4:49am »

I really don't think a bunch of scientists on earth would design such a drone without an emergency landing gear or even a parachute at the back.
With that level of technology, you don't expect the drone to land on mattress do you.

Remote controlled this drone in forest and residential areas is out of context - no one can guarantee this drone with all the bits sticking will never catch some branches or power cables under windy (guts of wind) condition. The arms in this drone can kill people if it crashes and no way it's like the one used in Iran back in 2005.

Beg you this drone won't even touch the ground with its anti-gravity mechanism, even with a dozen men stand on top of it.
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« Reply #1307 on Today at 5:08am »


Today at 4:00am, calikid wrote:

Today at 3:19am, colorsymphony wrote:
here we go:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19820-2005Feb12.html
"The United States, the official said, replied with a denial that manned U.S. aircraft had crossed Iran's borders. The drones were first spotted by dozens of Iranian civilians and set off a national newspaper frenzy in late December over whether the country was being visited by UFOs"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/07/AR2005110701450.html
"Iran has strongly protested what it said was the United States' use of unmanned aerial drones over its territory and said two of them had crashed this summer within its borders, according to diplomatic letters circulated at the United Nations yesterday"

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38250

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8NVDAOG0&show_article=1

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=20151
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Are you suggesting these UAVs may be the same thing as the "Chad Drone"?

The UAVs are propeller driven:

http://www.defense-update.com/products/s/skylark1-uav.htm

None appear to have anti-gravity drive. ;D


if the "drones" or "ufo's" they saw are as stupid looking as that thing (skylark - looks like something from 1982 not 2007) why would there be a national newspaper frenzy and everyone claiming they saw ufo's? are these people stupid? no. does the government and media lie? yes. would you mistake that for a ufo? no.

i dont know what to believe. i do trust raj. he came forward, but i look forward to hearing a lot more from him.
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« Reply #1308 on Today at 5:15am »


Yesterday at 11:07pm, regence wrote:
LOL at all the questions on propulsion methods, esoteric languages. Only one question can verify this story, and we have yet to get an answer. Which newspaper did Raj report the craft to? How did he make this report and can it be verified?

To quote Raj's original post on Flickr on May 16th...

"We sent a copy of the photos to their newspaper but haven't heard back yet. I dunno how long that kind of thing takes."


The quote above sounds like a local newspaper.
A search for Newspapers in and around Capitola, California.


Santa Cruz Good Times

Santa Cruz Sentinal

Perhaps the newspaper in question was one of these! ;)

Or we can wait for Raj's response and get the name of the actual newspaper and inquire if they recieved the photos.
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« Reply #1309 on Today at 5:33am »

I have been working on creating an idealized model of the large text figures, first from the 'Tahoe' craft. As the figures are not all evenly detailed, some idealization has doubtlessly occurred in my model. Particularly difficult are the smaller characters (which may be akin to dashes or exclamations). I doubt they match my models (the star and diamond). The A-like character on the longer end of the segmented arm is also difficult to make out in detail.

Additionally, the ()-like symbol appears (to me) to have changed orientation on the short segment of the arm. Of course, orientation in general is difficult, we do not really know (yet) what the correct orientation is, so each line should be considered to possibly be upside-down for purposes of comparison to other symbol-sets. I selected an orientation (long arm to left) and used this in both images as a standard.

Note that I have not preserved the spacing, but have instead imposed a grid showing each symbol separated by a relatively consistent margin. The spacing on the image doesn’t correspond well to common typographic standards (for, say, English letters). The kerning appears inconsitent and there's too little letterspace in general.

Tahoe Symbols (v.1), one line per segment, outer to inner (arm):[image]

Symbols are read left to right, outer edge to inner, and top to bottom near the ring. 1 line of symbols per segment (3).

Capitola Symbols: (as above)

Note that the idealization of these symbols (read 'error') is higher than those previously since these are much harder to see clearly in many cases. The 3 at the top are particularly speculative, as there isn't really enough visual data to go on.

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In seeking comparisons with other fonts/symbols, please bear in mind that ‘a few’ symbols can be found to match in many symbol systems, such that a broad survey of such systems (which I have in part undertaken for other reasons) will often reveal correlations — symbols from different systems that look quite similar or are ostensibly the same. Bear in mind that during evaluations, human knowledge faculties are prone to confuse correlation with cause, and this is generally a very severe error.

In other words, a ‘match’ will produce a strong likeness of more than a few symbols, and particularly the more uncommon symbols.
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« Reply #1310 on Today at 5:34am »

So, you ask, why wouldn't the local press jump all over the story? Well, a quick look through the archives of the Santa Cruz Sentinel reveals exactly one story with a reference to UFO's, and that's a piece from 2004 talking about SETI selling some land in the area to fund further research.

My guess is that because of the Santa Cruz Mystery Spot the local press tends to shy away from anything resembling what they would consider to be the "fringe".

Doesn't exactly seem like they have any OM members on staff now does it?!
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« Reply #1311 on Today at 5:39am »

They don't necessarily have to print the photos or story. I'm interested to see if they even received anything related to this case.
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Today at 5:39am, jeddyhi wrote:
They don't necessarily have to print the photos or story. I'm interested to see if they even received anything related to this case.


That is the point i have been trying to make all day!

THANKS Jed
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Today at 5:39am, jeddyhi wrote:
They don't necessarily have to print the photos or story. I'm interested to see if they even received anything related to this case.


why would they tell you if they did?
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« Reply #1314 on Today at 5:53am »

OK, let me play devil's advocate again for a second:
- IF copies of the photos were attached, the mail could already have been blocked by an antivirus program
- Spam filters delete a lot of mail, too. (My ISPs Spam filter deleted more than 80 mails in May on my main e-mail account).
So, if you're planning to ask the newspaper, then please ask if they could check the logs of antivirus programs, spam filters, etc. too, before jumping to any conclusions.

(I'm speaking from personal experience here. Among those 80 mails my ISP deleted at least 10 were legitimate e-mails from customers. So it's something to be aware of).
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Today at 5:33am, organelle wrote:
I have been working on creating an idealized model of the large text figures, first from the 'Tahoe' craft. As the figures are not all evenly detailed, some idealization has doubtlessly occured in my model. Particularly difficult are the smaller characters (which may be akin to dashes or exclamations). I doubt they match my models (the star and diamond). The A-like character on the longer end of the segmented arm is also difficult to make out in detail.

Additionally, the ()-like symbol appears (to me) to have changed orientation on the short segment of the arm. Of course, orientation in general is difficult, we do not really know (yet) what the correct orientation is, so each line should be considered to possibly be upside-down for purposes of comparison to other symbol-sets.

Note that I have not preserved the spacing, but have instead imposed a grid showing each symbol separated by a relatively consistant margin. The spacing on the image doesn’t correspond well to common typographic standards (for, say, English letters).

Tahoe Symbols (v.1), one line per segment, outer to inner (arm):[image]

Symbols are read left to right, outer edge to inner, and top to bottom near the ring. 1 line of symbols per segment (3).


how do you know if you might have them upside down? maybe the A-like character is really a V-like character and on and on. aliens hate A's.
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Today at 5:46am, colorsymphony wrote:

Today at 5:39am, jeddyhi wrote:
They don't necessarily have to print the photos or story. I'm interested to see if they even received anything related to this case.


why would they tell you if they did?


What if they did? What if the reply was something like, "Oh, yeah, we got those. We don't run stories about UFOs or Bigfoot or anything like that." Seems that would lend some credence to Raj's story. At any rate, it is only responsible, basic investigation to check that angle.
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« Reply #1317 on Today at 7:01am »

Well done organelle.

Both Chad's and Raj's drones have different writings (or symbols) all over the long and shorter arms.
The writings have a mixture of Japanese, Arabic, Chinese and even Korean (forget Klingon it isn't a proper language).

We'll never know the meaning of these writings but one thing for sure, they tell us that each arm has its function different to the others.
The amount of writings (instructions) in each arm means that the configurations is endless.

The ET scientists must be having fun to configure a particular drone for a particular area.
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Today at 4:26am, calikid wrote:
For Raj,

You mentioned the rotation as it related to stopping and direction change, this brings to mind a question about maneuvering capabilities.

Did the object stop (or slow) each time it changed direction? Many unknown objects have displayed the unusual ability to make right angle turns at speed, or rise straight up at great speed. Feats unmatched by conventional aircraft (manned or otherwise). Beyond what you have already described, did you observe any unusual flight characteristics like these?

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Also, would you consider buying the "future in-laws" a new memory card and keeping the old one safe? For future evidence? Might do well on ebaY! ;D :)


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Very good idea. It is important to preserve evidence of an event. You might go down in history as a very famous person Raj.

Besides those cards don't cost more than 20$. Would be more than happy to find you a good deal on the memory card you might need to replace.
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« Reply #1319 on Today at 7:45am »

Hey guys,

I'll be away from the forum for the next couple of days. Organelle, good job on the characters. When I come back, and if someone else has not already done so, I'll show some comparisons with Japanese Katakana. Someone asked how reliable my knowledge is -- I studied Japanese for about a year and a half on the college level. I can read things like children's books, but would not be able to read for example, a typical Japanese Newspaper. My knowledge of Kanji characters is dearth. If you don't trust my knowledge I can show the characters to a native Japanese speaker friend of mine. I would make sure to only show her the characters and not the craft.

Also, since I live in Santa Cruz, I am going to make an effort to talk to the Santa Cruz Sentinel.

Everyone else is also welcome to give them an email. Maybe if they got enough people bugging them they will give an answer.

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